Nissan 370Z Forum  

Catch Can N/A VQ37VHR Burning Oil/Smoke

Greetings and thank you everyone for reply! I ran into a problem, I had open breathers for over a year but the smell of fuel became unbearable and I decided

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain


Like Tree2Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-21-2018, 08:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 2
Drives: 2015 Q50S 3.7L
Rep Power: 8
Printermeow is on a distinguished road
Exclamation Catch Can N/A VQ37VHR Burning Oil/Smoke

Greetings and thank you everyone for reply!

I ran into a problem, I had open breathers for over a year but the smell of fuel became unbearable and I decided to go with recirculating (non vented) catch cans to "close the loop and make it factory like" and thus eliminate smell.

Setting up like in example photos from catch can manufacturer I get severe smoking from exhaust like a chimney with intake breathers connected from crankcase to intakes as in photo but without baffles. Also within seconds had about half cup full of oil in both of my catch cans.




Setting up with closed off intake and manifold breathers it doesn't smoke but I am very fearful of pushing the car because I have done something wrong with tubing from/to catch cans.







Please help me out guys, thank you.
Printermeow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2018, 01:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
Ronin Samurai - Assassin
 
Rusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky
Age: 68
Posts: 35,172
Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M
Rep Power: 2684437
Rusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond repute
Talking

I'm wondering if you have your hoses on the cans backwards. Or you got cheap azz cans that just suck. Where did you get the cans from?
jchammond likes this.
__________________

浪人 - 殺し屋
"The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only"
http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html
Rusty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2018, 04:37 AM   #3 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
jchammond's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: South Carolina
Age: 58
Posts: 15,204
Drives: 13’ 370Z TS 7A/T
Rep Power: 2684394
jchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond reputejchammond has a reputation beyond repute
Smile

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
I'm wondering if you have your hoses on the cans backwards. Or you got cheap azz cans that just suck. Where did you get the cans from?
This was to be next on my list & there are a variety of cans,videos & reviews.
Be sure & put new pcv valves in & you may have to remove upper plenum, to clean oily residue. Can is T’d in from pcv to plenum inlet (you appear to have it proper).
Inlet port from pcv should have an internal pipe,that goes down into some type of media (steel wool etc.) & outlet just gets clean vapors from near top of can.
Some have drain valves on bottom & some with screw on bottoms.....just be sure your pcv valves are good & you don’t just have nipples in grommets...or it will be sucking a lot up through system.
__________________
MazWorx built long block | FI-TT-100 Stage 2.75 | IPT built 7A/T

http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...s-musings.html
jchammond is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2018, 05:19 AM   #4 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Quicksilvers's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,039
Drives: 2017 370z
Rep Power: 25463
Quicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond repute
Default

The last time I seen a smoke show like this from oil catch cans installed was from a 1998 Chevrolet Camaro SS LS1 and the owner failed to change his dirty PVC valves and also routed the lines wrong but he could remember to trim his mullet though. I am wondering what brand oil catch can did you install? Also double check your lines and make sure they are routed correctly. Install new PCV valves if you have not already. I see mostly people with forced induction Z’s running oil catch cans not people with naturally aspirated Z’s.
Quicksilvers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-22-2018, 11:27 AM   #5 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: st. petersburg
Posts: 5,709
Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6
Rep Power: 295378
Elmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond reputeElmo370z has a reputation beyond repute
Default

This is how I routed my lines. I plugged off the two ports coming off the manifold.
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg 6BD40F4E-1A84-4C10-93A7-4B483B25A4DF.jpeg (275.6 KB, 93 views)
Elmo370z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2018, 03:13 AM   #6 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Brooklyn, NY
Posts: 2
Drives: 2015 Q50S 3.7L
Rep Power: 8
Printermeow is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
I'm wondering if you have your hoses on the cans backwards. Or you got cheap azz cans that just suck. Where did you get the cans from?
Cans are genuine mishimoto and hoses are in the correct way as per many others installing same kind of cans. I removed them and reverted back to open filter from front crank case ports and there is no smoke and also no severe suction within the crankcase like in the picture attached, engine working the nipple is sucked in as in picture when I had cans installed

Printermeow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2018, 04:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Cyber370's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Montreal, QC Canada
Posts: 679
Drives: 2016 370Z Nismo 6MT
Rep Power: 19372
Cyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond reputeCyber370 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quicksilvers View Post
I see mostly people with forced induction Z’s running oil catch cans not people with naturally aspirated Z’s.


Why the catch cans, OP? Was it smoking or where you burning oil prior to the catch can installation?
__________________
"That’s when you know you’ve found somebody special. When you can just shut the f*ck up for a minute and comfortably enjoy the silence.”-Mia (Pulp Fiction)
Cyber370 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-23-2018, 06:57 AM   #8 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Quicksilvers's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 2,039
Drives: 2017 370z
Rep Power: 25463
Quicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond reputeQuicksilvers has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyber370 View Post


Why the catch cans, OP? Was it smoking or where you burning oil prior to the catch can installation?
It was smoking the same situation as the OP.
Quicksilvers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-26-2018, 01:54 PM   #9 (permalink)
Track Member
 
sirnixalot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Cayman Islands
Posts: 685
Drives: 2010 370Z
Rep Power: 57454
sirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond reputesirnixalot has a reputation beyond repute
Default

It looks like you've deleted the PCV valves as I see AN fittings on the valve cover. If that's the case all you are doing is pressurizing the crankcase (under boost). If that happens you end up forcing oil past the rings.
hustleman222 likes this.
__________________
2010 Sport - LS3 swap loading
2012 Frontier - BTWTuning VK56DE swap

Last edited by sirnixalot; 05-26-2018 at 01:56 PM.
sirnixalot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2018, 08:25 AM   #10 (permalink)
Base Member
 
projectpanda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 128
Drives: 10' G37S White 6MT
Rep Power: 9
projectpanda is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Printermeow View Post
Cans are genuine mishimoto and hoses are in the correct way as per many others installing same kind of cans. I removed them and reverted back to open filter from front crank case ports and there is no smoke and also no severe suction within the crankcase like in the picture attached, engine working the nipple is sucked in as in picture when I had cans installed

I know this is an old thread but wanted to share my similar experience. The rear ports on the valve cover needs to be able to breathe, so DO NOT CAP. I made this mistake and after 60 miles of high rev driving, my oil pressure light came on and when I checked my dipstick, there was so much vacuum it pulled the stick back down
My setup that caused this was capping off the rear ports but kepted the pcv port stock. I didn’t have a filter to put over the rear port but I still left it open to breathe and it was fine afterwards.

I have since drilled into my intake to mimic the factory setup with an oil catch can on the pcv side.
projectpanda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2021, 01:44 PM   #11 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Austin
Posts: 7
Drives: 09-Nissan-370z-WH-A7
Rep Power: 4
Jonathan-NEX is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by projectpanda View Post
I know this is an old thread but wanted to share my similar experience. The rear ports on the valve cover needs to be able to breathe, so DO NOT CAP. I made this mistake and after 60 miles of high rev driving, my oil pressure light came on and when I checked my dipstick, there was so much vacuum it pulled the stick back down
My setup that caused this was capping off the rear ports but kept the pcv port stock. I didn’t have a filter to put over the rear port but I still left it open to breathe and it was fine afterwards.

I have since drilled into my intake to mimic the factory setup with an oil catch can on the PCV side.
Hey I know this is an old post, but I am having the same issue with my set up. i installed the catch can the same way you did, and I forgot to open the backside valve covers causing pressure to build up and the same thing would happen when I would open the oil dipstick. I proceeded to add hoses with little filter breathers attached at the end, and that got rid of the oil pressure problem, but then I received a code P0171, running lean on bank 1, what do you think I may be doing wrong?

Here are pictures of my current set up
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Document.pdf (369.4 KB, 7 views)
Jonathan-NEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2021, 01:58 PM   #12 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 238
Drives: 2015 370z
Rep Power: 10080
ByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan-NEX View Post
Hey I know this is an old post, but I am having the same issue with my set up. i installed the catch can the same way you did, and I forgot to open the backside valve covers causing pressure to build up and the same thing would happen when I would open the oil dipstick. I proceeded to add hoses with little filter breathers attached at the end, and that got rid of the oil pressure problem, but then I received a code P0171, running lean on bank 1, what do you think I may be doing wrong?

Here are pictures of my current set up
You're pulling in unmetered air through the breathers. Your fresh air intake has to be taken AFTER the maf sensor meters the air. If you take in air from a breather, that's "unmetered" air going directly into the manifold.

breather -> valve cover -> pcv valve -> intake manifold = vacuum leak
ByThaBay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2021, 03:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Austin
Posts: 7
Drives: 09-Nissan-370z-WH-A7
Rep Power: 4
Jonathan-NEX is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ByThaBay View Post
You're pulling in unmetered air through the breathers. Your fresh air intake has to be taken AFTER the maf sensor meters the air. If you take in air from a breather, that's "unmetered" air going directly into the manifold.

breather -> valve cover -> pcv valve -> intake manifold = vacuum leak
How can I fix that problem, and thank you for replying!
Jonathan-NEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2021, 03:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Bay Area, CA
Posts: 238
Drives: 2015 370z
Rep Power: 10080
ByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond reputeByThaBay has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan-NEX View Post
How can I fix that problem, and thank you for replying!
Get rid of the breathers and connect the hose to an air source after the maf but before any forced induction or throttle.
ByThaBay is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2021, 03:54 PM   #15 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Austin
Posts: 7
Drives: 09-Nissan-370z-WH-A7
Rep Power: 4
Jonathan-NEX is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ByThaBay View Post
Get rid of the breathers and connect the hose to an air source after the maf but before any forced induction or throttle.
Since my intakes do not include the hole to connect the valve cover to, where should I get the air source from?
Jonathan-NEX is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
White smoke/steam from oil cap Mandingo Engine & Drivetrain 6 10-04-2011 04:52 PM
Smoke coming from the exhaust Z RATED OKC Engine & Drivetrain 18 05-02-2011 12:43 PM
headlight smoke out cmefly440 Exterior & Interior 0 05-22-2010 11:04 PM
Do You Smoke in Your Z? vipor Nissan 370Z General Discussions 96 03-31-2010 01:08 PM
Anyone blackout/smoke their lights yet? whoady4shoady Exterior & Interior 8 07-20-2009 09:16 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2