Oil Cooler - Is it really necessary?

mults · 01-10-2018, 01:48 PM

This is my situation only, so it may not be relevant for others...

I occasionally track my car, drive spirited (think Dragon) and use as a DD during the Summer months. I have never experienced oil temps high enough to go into "limp mode", so I do not have any type of oil cooler. However, with that being said, I am still thinking about putting in at least a 24-row, mostly as an insurance policy in the event I ever run into conditions that MAY raise the oil temps to unhealthy heights.

Better to have and not need than need and not have...just my $.02

As-far-as adding mods like mine (CAI, CBE, HFC, tune), I think the car actually runs cooler because it is now more efficient and does not have to work as hard...

Rusty · 01-10-2018, 11:27 PM

OP, if you see temps in the 240's. Get an oil oil cooler. The ECU will start to pull timing at 240F. And go into limp mode at 280F. Get a 25 row. If you want to push it.

Get a 34 row.

As for the oil to be at 180F is BS.

Once the oil has hit 110F. The moisture in the oil will start to evaporate out. By the time it's at 160F. It's almost all gone. Remember, you're only dealing with 5 qts of oil. Not 7,000 gals. Oils work best between 130F to 190F. The engine has to operate at around 210F because of emissions. To help lower NOx emissions. The combustion temps have to be higher.

sirnixalot · 01-12-2018, 11:11 PM

I was trying not to ask but....

Tropical climate, NEVER sub 70*F, 80-95*F most times. Currently stock but will be doing R35 turbo conversion ala Husam's kit. Plan to get koyo rad whenever it's released.

Daily driver, 1/8th mile drag once a month and auto x 6 times for the year sub 45 sec courses.

25 row or 34 row?

Rusty · 01-13-2018, 06:46 AM

34, no question. With what you have planned. A 25 would be a waste of money.

sirnixalot · 01-13-2018, 07:34 AM

Thanks Rusty

Rusty · 01-13-2018, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sirnixalot

Thanks Rusty

nosam1g · 01-15-2018, 01:57 AM

hi guys i ordered a 25 row from z1 thermo sandwich plate. My z is a 2015 . Will there need to be any additional items / customization in order to get it installed? Is it going to be as easy as mounting and switching out sandwich plate and connect the lines ?

Edit: Came across SPAL fan and electronic thermostat.. was wanting it add it to the 25 row for extra protection since i live in cali . and in the summer is sauna hot you feel me .. has anyone added that to you cooler ?

Erob · 01-15-2018, 02:06 PM

What you ordered should be a kit, everything is there to install. Instructions are on the website and youtube. Sorry, can't help with the fan.

nosam1g · 01-15-2018, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Erob

What you ordered should be a kit, everything is there to install. Instructions are on the website and youtube. Sorry, can't help with the fan.

yes it was the kit .. so when connecting the thermo plate do i just put it over the oem plate ?

Erob · 01-15-2018, 07:29 PM

My Z is a 2010 and did not come from the factory with an OEM oil cooler. Sorry but I can't help with on yours but I'm sure someone here knows for certain.

Spooler · 01-16-2018, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nosam1g

yes it was the kit .. so when connecting the thermo plate do i just put it over the oem plate ?

No, you remove that factory oil heater. You will need to buy a kit that has everything in it to remove it. I have done 2 cars like this, 2012 and 2013 Nismo's. Fast Intentions has a kit that has everything you need to take it off the car.

nosam1g · 01-16-2018, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

No, you remove that factory oil heater. You will need to buy a kit that has everything in it to remove it. I have done 2 cars like this, 2012 and 2013 Nismo's. Fast Intentions has a kit that has everything you need to take it off the car.

lol im so confused so you need a kit to take off the oem oil cooler ? i was told it was a air to oil cooler ? I bought the 25 row thermo kit from z1.. so i just take off the oem sanwich plate and put on the thermo ? does anyone know how to do it on 2015 z ?

i have this one https://conceptzperformance.com/z1-m...34_p_14044.php

edit: added picture .. from a 2014 z.. looks like they used a stillen cooler and its connected over the oem one? so im guessing it will work?

nosam1g · 01-18-2018, 02:16 AM

sorry for all the confusion i was really just trying to ask if i can basically bolt on the z1 kit to my 2015 with no customizing... just mount cooler/lines/sandwich plate , and bam ready to go 180 degrees oil ^^

filip00 · 03-21-2022, 05:50 PM

Resurrecting this thread....is there anyone from Europe here that can suggest an oil cooler to order? I'm looking at ordering a 25 row, or a 34 row thermostatic one...
Most of the manufacturers either don't ship to Europe or charge it quite a lot, so I'm looking into options already in europe. Mishimoto has one for sale, but it's just 19 row. Any other suggestions? Thanks!

Hotrodz · 03-21-2022, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by filip00

Resurrecting this thread....is there anyone from Europe here that can suggest an oil cooler to order? I'm looking at ordering a 25 row, or a 34 row thermostatic one...
Most of the manufacturers either don't ship to Europe or charge it quite a lot, so I'm looking into options already in europe. Mishimoto has one for sail, but it's just 19 row. Any other suggestions? Thanks!

I believe both CZP (Concept Z) and Z1 both will send out of country.

01-10-2018, 01:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
mults A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Age: 70 Posts: 1,830 Drives: 2010 (40th) #706 Rep Power: 16886	This is my situation only, so it may not be relevant for others... I occasionally track my car, drive spirited (think Dragon) and use as a DD during the Summer months. I have never experienced oil temps high enough to go into "limp mode", so I do not have any type of oil cooler. However, with that being said, I am still thinking about putting in at least a 24-row, mostly as an insurance policy in the event I ever run into conditions that MAY raise the oil temps to unhealthy heights. Better to have and not need than need and not have...just my $.02 As-far-as adding mods like mine (CAI, CBE, HFC, tune), I think the car actually runs cooler because it is now more efficient and does not have to work as hard... __________________ mults 40th Anniversary 'Z', 312.06HP/260.58TQ (Dynosty EcuTek Tune) Build Date/Number: 1/27/2010 #706 Berk HFC + CBE, R2C CAI, Clear Bra, Cleveland Z Club Last edited by mults; 01-10-2018 at 01:50 PM.

01-10-2018, 11:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,365 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	OP, if you see temps in the 240's. Get an oil oil cooler. The ECU will start to pull timing at 240F. And go into limp mode at 280F. Get a 25 row. If you want to push it. Get a 34 row. As for the oil to be at 180F is BS. Once the oil has hit 110F. The moisture in the oil will start to evaporate out. By the time it's at 160F. It's almost all gone. Remember, you're only dealing with 5 qts of oil. Not 7,000 gals. Oils work best between 130F to 190F. The engine has to operate at around 210F because of emissions. To help lower NOx emissions. The combustion temps have to be higher. 1st, Jayhovah, jchammond and 1 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html Last edited by Rusty; 01-10-2018 at 11:30 PM.

01-12-2018, 11:11 PM	#3 (permalink)
sirnixalot Track Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 685 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 57454	I was trying not to ask but.... Tropical climate, NEVER sub 70F, 80-95F most times. Currently stock but will be doing R35 turbo conversion ala Husam's kit. Plan to get koyo rad whenever it's released. Daily driver, 1/8th mile drag once a month and auto x 6 times for the year sub 45 sec courses. 25 row or 34 row? Jayhovah likes this. __________________ 2010 Sport - LS3 swap loading 2012 Frontier - BTWTuning VK56DE swap

01-13-2018, 06:46 AM	#4 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,365 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	34, no question. With what you have planned. A 25 would be a waste of money. Hotrodz, Jayhovah, jchammond and 1 others like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

01-13-2018, 07:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
sirnixalot Track Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 685 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 57454	Thanks Rusty Rusty and Jayhovah like this. __________________ 2010 Sport - LS3 swap loading 2012 Frontier - BTWTuning VK56DE swap

01-15-2018, 01:57 AM	#7 (permalink)
nosam1g Base Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Socal Posts: 74 Drives: 2015 370z Sport Tech Rep Power: 8	hi guys i ordered a 25 row from z1 thermo sandwich plate. My z is a 2015 . Will there need to be any additional items / customization in order to get it installed? Is it going to be as easy as mounting and switching out sandwich plate and connect the lines ? Edit: Came across SPAL fan and electronic thermostat.. was wanting it add it to the 25 row for extra protection since i live in cali . and in the summer is sauna hot you feel me .. has anyone added that to you cooler ? Last edited by nosam1g; 01-15-2018 at 02:24 AM.

01-15-2018, 02:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Erob Base Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kingsport Posts: 32 Drives: 2010 Silver 370Z AT Rep Power: 8	What you ordered should be a kit, everything is there to install. Instructions are on the website and youtube. Sorry, can't help with the fan.

01-15-2018, 07:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
Erob Base Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kingsport Posts: 32 Drives: 2010 Silver 370Z AT Rep Power: 8	My Z is a 2010 and did not come from the factory with an OEM oil cooler. Sorry but I can't help with on yours but I'm sure someone here knows for certain.

01-18-2018, 02:16 AM	#13 (permalink)
nosam1g Base Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Socal Posts: 74 Drives: 2015 370z Sport Tech Rep Power: 8	sorry for all the confusion i was really just trying to ask if i can basically bolt on the z1 kit to my 2015 with no customizing... just mount cooler/lines/sandwich plate , and bam ready to go 180 degrees oil ^^ Qlitv likes this.

03-21-2022, 05:50 PM	#14 (permalink)
filip00 Track Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: slovenia Posts: 573 Drives: 370z pack Rep Power: 125427	Resurrecting this thread....is there anyone from Europe here that can suggest an oil cooler to order? I'm looking at ordering a 25 row, or a 34 row thermostatic one... Most of the manufacturers either don't ship to Europe or charge it quite a lot, so I'm looking into options already in europe. Mishimoto has one for sale, but it's just 19 row. Any other suggestions? Thanks! Last edited by filip00; 03-22-2022 at 03:08 PM.

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