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kittens 07-08-2017 09:52 PM

7AT stalls whenever I put in Drive or Reverse
 
Hi everyone, I can start my car just fine but if I put it in Drive or Reverse it turns off every time. If I apply throttle I can get it moving but it is very rough kind of like someone who is brand new to stick shift. I have asked around and researched and found possible issues:

Dirty MAF
just need to do the idle relearn procedure (having trouble with doing that)
torque converter
throttle bodies

I found a thread here
http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ver-put-d.html

and apparently this guy fixed it by launching the car but not sure if I want to do that... does anyone have any advice?

IAmTheStig 07-09-2017 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kittens (Post 3672711)
Hi everyone, I can start my car just fine but if I put it in Drive or Reverse it turns off every time. If I apply throttle I can get it moving but it is very rough kind of like someone who is brand new to stick shift. I have asked around and researched and found possible issues:

Dirty MAF
just need to do the idle relearn procedure (having trouble with doing that)
torque converter
throttle bodies

I found a thread here
http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ver-put-d.html

and apparently this guy fixed it by launching the car but not sure if I want to do that... does anyone have any advice?

If it was me, I'd pull the battery cable off the battery for 5-10 minutes and reset the PCM. When you reconnect the battery, let the car idle for a while, then with your foot on the brake, put it in reverse for a minute, then put it in drive for a minute, then take the car for a normal drive. Maybe that would fix a bad adaptive calibration?

kittens 07-10-2017 09:10 AM

thanks, I will try that first - is this just disconnecting the negative terminal or do I need to do anything else to reset?

Can I also do it this way

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ve-method.html

SG4247 07-10-2017 10:15 AM

Many people including Nissan techs do not understand this....

The 7AT transmission pump supplies trans fluid under pressure, to the torque converter piston/clutch to force it into the "off" position. So, to apply the converter clutch, the convert clutch solenoid just turns off the pressure to the piston, and the clutch comes on.

If there is a malfunction of the converter clutch piston, piston seals or converter clutch control solenoid, the clutch may be "on" even at idle, causing the engine to stall when put into gear. It would drive like a newbe trying to drive a stick....

Doesn't happen often, but does happen as I have seen this condition before.

Jhill 07-11-2017 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SG4247 (Post 3673034)
Many people including Nissan techs do not understand this....

The 7AT transmission pump supplies trans fluid under pressure, to the torque converter piston/clutch to force it into the "off" position. So, to apply the converter clutch, the convert clutch solenoid just turns off the pressure to the piston, and the clutch comes on.

If there is a malfunction of the converter clutch piston, piston seals or converter clutch control solenoid, the clutch may be "on" even at idle, causing the engine to stall when put into gear. It would drive like a newbe trying to drive a stick....

Doesn't happen often, but does happen as I have seen this condition before.


That's good information to know and completely opposite from any other transmission I've dealt with but was thinking exactly that his converter is locked up.

jchammond 07-11-2017 04:23 AM

been a while; but back in the day,this was a common failure on some A/T tranny's...Phone Pat@levelten transmission's & he will give you some insight...heck; He's in Jersey!
(973)827-1000

jchammond 07-11-2017 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kittens (Post 3673013)
thanks, I will try that first - is this just disconnecting the negative terminal or do I need to do anything else to reset?

Can I also do it this way

http://www.the370z.com/engine-drivet...ve-method.html

Un-sure how often you visit the Forum; but i speak w/Pat from time to time & i sent him an e-mail...so he would have a head's up about what's going on,in the event you phone him.
I know they do Performance build's there,,,but i'm sure they do basic build's or whatever strength you want it built for.
Hope all goes well.

kittens 07-11-2017 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3673395)
Un-sure how often you visit the Forum; but i speak w/Pat from time to time & i sent him an e-mail...so he would have a head's up about what's going on,in the event you phone him.
I know they do Performance build's there,,,but i'm sure they do basic build's or whatever strength you want it built for.
Hope all goes well.

I reset the ECU but still having the problem so maybe it is the converter. I will give him a call unfortunately he is still 65 miles away even though in the same state. If the converter is locked up is there a way to unlock it or do I need a replacement? Maybe I should do what that guy did in the first thread I linked...

this is another reason why I wish I had just gotten a manual

jchammond 07-11-2017 09:08 AM

The problem is more than likely a solenoid failure & not TC, Pat may be able to tell you how to disengage it to operate.
But in trans is in need for overhaul; definitely replace TC.


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kittens 07-11-2017 03:24 PM

I actually tried to schedule an appointment with Level 10 but I am too far away, and don't have time (work days) to take multiple days to go with the tow truck or worry about picking it up. He did say it was the converter probably though so I might have to go to the dealer. I just hope I don't need to replace the entire transmission.

I already drove it back home once it started doing this - it was fine when I left the house that day and started in the middle of the road. The dealer is only 5 miles away so I hope I can just drive it once more and not do any further damage. Luckily I have another car to drive in the meantime

jchammond 07-11-2017 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by kittens (Post 3673605)
I actually tried to schedule an appointment with Level 10 but I am too far away, and don't have time (work days) to take multiple days to go with the tow truck or worry about picking it up. He did say it was the converter probably though so I might have to go to the dealer. I just hope I don't need to replace the entire transmission.

I already drove it back home once it started doing this - it was fine when I left the house that day and started in the middle of the road. The dealer is only 5 miles away so I hope I can just drive it once more and not do any further damage. Luckily I have another car to drive in the meantime

Hope You the best;
But Level 10 is the real-deal; especially if you have modded your car any.
Some dealership's are limited to what they can do-as i have already planned to ship mine up there when it begin's to go,,,but i also have a couple older alternate rides.
Glad you were able to get in touch w/him.

SG4247 07-11-2017 05:41 PM

If it turns out to be a torque converter malfunction, a converter replacement (only use OEM nissan parts (Jatco)), converter clutch solenoid and fluid replacement would be the only items I would entertain paying for. Generally, this type of malfunction does not require a replacement transmission. The only exception that comes to mind would be if the main line pump pressure on the transmission is below spec, or if the transmission had other driveablity function problems.

kittens 07-12-2017 10:33 AM

the car is stock except for an exhaust. I know Level 10 would be the go to for a built transmission, but I probably won't be modding (especially Forced Induction) any time soon. I eventually want to get a C7 (stick shift this time), and just want to fix this and not have it break in a year lol

kittens 07-13-2017 03:31 PM

update: car was running very lean. Source to be determined but I don't think it's the torque converter. good thing I didn't go replace it yet

SG4247 07-13-2017 05:26 PM

Thats good! Maybe?

Hard to know if its an engine performance issue or converter concern.

Should have had a MIL on the dash if its that lean?


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