CJM Oil Pan

Spooler · 05-30-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Just a heads up, anodizing isnt like body paint... I can have them do red, but it probably wont look like the same red as the car! We can ask for darker or lighter colors, but they wont guarantee any color matching.

I knew the color would be off a bit. That's fine.

phunk · 05-30-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777

Yes, well if ur fine with it then i guess am the only one that isnt.

The point of the baffles is to allow oil to travel towards the pickup. Oil flow in that direction is good. If the turbo drains were pushing oil in that direction, that would be a positive as it would provide oil flow in the direction we want it, and it would create a venturi effect promoting additional oil to flow in this direction.

When you want the baffles to close when turning, g-loads will close the baffles from the weight of oil pressing on them. So it wouldnt make a difference when it matters.

Although, the reality of it is that the turbo return oil is not high velocity. It is generally pretty aerated low velocity oil and probably couldnt push the baffles open even if the car was sitting stationary.

So while I dont agree with your concern at all, your concern does make me realize an alternate consideration. Maybe I will try and baffle the return area some to increase oil residency in the turbo return oil for the sake of improved aeration disposal.

Spooler · 05-30-2015, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

if you really want the outside nismo red with bare exposed parts, I can powdercoat it wrinkle red and then you can sand the ribs back to silver. But, noone is ever going to see it.

LOL, we think alike. That is what I was going to do with it and then clear over it. Bump, Bump,,,, Nismo.

If it looks real good, I may not touch it.

phunk · 05-30-2015, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

LOL, we think alike. That is what I was going to do with it and then clear over it.

If you do decide you want to make it 2-tone like that by painting or powder coating and then sanding, let me know because you would want it un-anodized to start with. You wont want to have to sand through anodizing, its much harder than the aluminum and soaks into the surface as well. It would be a nightmare to sand through it!

Spooler · 05-30-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

If you do decide you want to make it 2-tone like that by painting or powder coating and then sanding, let me know because you would want it un-anodized to start with. You wont want to have to sand through anodizing, its much harder than the aluminum and soaks into the surface as well. It would be a nightmare to sand through it!

Ah, just make it Nismo red the best you can. I dare to be different.

phunk · 05-30-2015, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Ah, just make it Nismo red the best you can. I dare to be different.

LOL I will tape a picture of your car on it with a note asking to please match the best they can!

I dont mean to be difficult with you, I am just trying to make sure that what arrives in your hands is what you were expecting!

DOOMMONKEY777 · 05-30-2015, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

The point of the baffles is to allow oil to travel towards the pickup. Oil flow in that direction is good. If the turbo drains were pushing oil in that direction, that would be a positive as it would provide oil flow in the direction we want it, and it would create a venturi effect promoting additional oil to flow in this direction.

When you want the baffles to close when turning, g-loads will close the baffles from the weight of oil pressing on them. So it wouldnt make a difference when it matters.

Although, the reality of it is that the turbo return oil is not high velocity. It is generally pretty aerated low velocity oil and probably couldnt push the baffles open even if the car was sitting stationary.

So while I dont agree with your concern at all, your concern does make me realize an alternate consideration. Maybe I will try and baffle the return area some to increase oil residency in the turbo return oil for the sake of improved aeration disposal.

Well in my line of work, it is a common practice if you see a problem say something, the worst thing that can happen is your wrong, i personally would change the output direction to cause less problems.

By the way its a little off topic, but i am looking for a reputable company that can mill me titanium. Maybe you can recommend some one?

Spooler · 05-30-2015, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

LOL I will tape a picture of your car on it with a note asking to please match the best they can!

I dont mean to be difficult with you, I am just trying to make sure that what arrives in your hands is what you were expecting!

My car is MB.....LOL I am good with whatever RED color comes out. A little darker is fine. I am not going to be that picky about it. Getting everything to color match is just about impossible. NO worries from me.

phunk · 05-30-2015, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777

Well in my line of work, it is a common practice if you see a problem say something, the worst thing that can happen is your wrong, i personally would change the output direction to cause less problems.

By the way its a little off topic, but i am looking for a reputable company that can mill me titanium. Maybe you can recommend some one?

I think that anyone with a mill can machine it, I have friends that have before, they just used careful consideration of tooling. Its an expensive material to machine anything of size with since its such a wasteful manufacturing process - example, this oil pan looses about 90% of its material weight from start to finish.

At any rate, I am sure pretty much any machine shop will take a shot at it for you.

jwick · 05-30-2015, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce

Looks like I know what I'm doing next winter... Oil pan upgrade, fuel system upgrade, the next thing phunk makes upgrade...

After all the modding I did this year, Mrs.Force is going to sh!t a brick when she finds out I already started this winters mod list. We don't even have the car back from SoCal yet

Just buy her a new purse

phunk · 05-30-2015, 11:30 PM

Forgot to mention that the location of the 2 recesses for removal are position with 2 overhangs of the upper pan, so these would be the easiest places to get a tool in there.

jrb55gh · 05-30-2015, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Couple screen shots from CAD showing the updates discussed:

The groove for pan sealant, it wont be as deep as it appears in the pics.

The 2 areas for starting a screwdriver or other pry tool for removal.

-10 AN turbo drain adapters (optional).

Feel free to comment likes or dislikes of these changes.

I like your changes. My Z is NA, therefore the turbo oiling holes are not required.

Possible features to add:

1. Baffle flap inspection holes.
2. Raised baffle that also encloses the pickup more ala AM Performance.
3. Threaded holes for jam screws to remove pan.

octet · 05-31-2015, 03:28 AM

Hi Charles,

I need 5pcs to start with

I'm sure we can sell a lot more here in UK.

Adrian

Spooler · 05-31-2015, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by octet

Hi Charles,

I need 5pcs to start with

I'm sure we can sell a lot more here in UK.

Adrian

LOL, looks like we are going to make it to 20. Should we chance it to 30? Another price break at 30?

jrb55gh · 05-31-2015, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Couple screen shots from CAD showing the updates discussed:

The groove for pan sealant, it wont be as deep as it appears in the pics.

The 2 areas for starting a screwdriver or other pry tool for removal.

-10 AN turbo drain adapters (optional).

Feel free to comment likes or dislikes of these changes.

One more feature request to evaluate:

Fabricate the top horizontal plate baffle to overhang the outer edges of the vertical baffles in the pan by about 0.75" to help prevent oil from rolling over the top of the vertical baffles in high G turns.

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