Redline Oil, still happy with it?

spearfish25 · 10-19-2009, 08:23 AM

I have a case of Redline Synthetic 5w30 coming tomorrow. It's my last chance to pull out before switching to synthetic from the Nissan Ester Oil. Things have been running nicely up to this point, but with the winter coming I think I'd rather run synthetic and make the switch.

For anyone who has switched to synthetic and/or specifically Redline, are you still happy with your swap?

zZSportZz · 10-19-2009, 08:48 AM

Very happy with it. In fact, I have a second shipment on the way for my next oil change.

Zeto · 10-19-2009, 09:23 AM

Yes. Very.

jpit · 10-19-2009, 11:49 AM

I switched to Redline at 4000 miles and am now back with the Nissan ester. There is an interesting article by Mike Kojima on another site (can't post the address here) that goes
into great detail about the Nissan oil. The price is about the same as Redline. Here are a couple of quotes:

"Nissan's special oil and their newly developed hydrogen free DLC coating on cam followers reduces the amount of friction produced by the valve train by a huge amount. This can make a considerable difference in fuel economy, power output and perhaps even heat generation.

What is Nissan's special oil? The oil was developed to complement Nissan's Hydrogen free DLC coating used on the cam followers in the QR25DE engine, the VQ35HR and the VQ37VHR engines. DLC stands for diamond like coating, which is an amorphous layer of carbon crystals with hard smooth properties much like diamond. Most of valve train friction is created by the interface between the cam follower and the cam lobe. DLC is very slippery stuff and Nissan uses it to reduce valvetrain friction to improve fuel economy, reduce emission and increase power.

Nissan, in their search for improving oils frictional properties, figured out a way to substitute ultra hard nano particles for the normal chemical friction modifiers adding some interesting molecular twists. Again due to the convoluted nature of Nissan’s white papers and patents, its hard to guess exactly what the nano particles are but they are definitely an ultra hard industrial abrasive or bearing type ceramic and probably at least in part, nano particles of industrial diamond

Nissans super oil is around 0.5% nano particles by weight. The particles are probably around 10 nanometers in diameter, really very small! A certain percentage of the nano particles have to be carbon based, preferably single crystal synthetic diamond. The carbon content helps make the nano particles attracted to the low hydrogen DLC coating. Instead of making a slippery metallic film on bare metal parts like traditional friction modifiers, the nano particles act like atomic level miniature ball bearings, preventing metal to metal contact and reducing friction to previously unheard of levels. These nano particles are ashless if they find there way into the engine, making the oil low deposit forming for lower emissions. The Nissan super oil does most of its friction reduction in the valvetrain but it still helps in other parts of the engine, particularly in areas where metal to metal contact might occur."

spearfish25 · 10-19-2009, 11:59 AM

Hmmm, interesting. I can't help but feel there is a lot of propaganda in that person's description. I read all that, look back at it and think "there is nothing tangible in that explanation". Lots of nano particles, diamond coatings, etc which are usually marketing buzz words.

The devil's advocate would say that any benefit from nano particle interaction with 'special' engine coatings may not offset the difference in lubrication ability and temperature resistance to degradation offered by synthetic oils.

From what I had seen before, the hype of the Nissan oil was the esters which Redline also contains. Perhaps they're not the 'special' Nissan esters?

Lug · 10-19-2009, 12:04 PM

So basically, I can tell my wife there are diamonds in the engine and then she'll go for the 350Z to 370Z swap! .......sweeet

370zdub · 10-19-2009, 12:19 PM

I'm satisfied with my switch to the redline oils. I have put 1500 miles on it and it has been great. I wouldn't say that I noticed any performance improvement or less nvh like some have stated but I have not noticed a down grade either. I will use the Redline oil on my next change as well.

jpit · 10-19-2009, 12:51 PM

The guy who wrote the article on the Nissan oil is a top Nissan tuner who knows more about our engine than anyone on this site. He took the time to research exactly what goes into the Nissan oil. I have decided to base my decision on what oil to use based on his research and not on somebody's butt dyno. .

theDreamer · 10-19-2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpit

The guy who wrote the article on the Nissan oil is a top Nissan tuner who knows more about our engine than anyone on this site. He took the time to research exactly what goes into the Nissan oil. I have decided to base my decision on what oil to use based on his research and not on somebody's butt dyno. .

Who here is talking about butt dyno results?
Redline has been good to me so far, just did my second oil change, car is at 8,000 miles and going strong. Would I be better off with something else? Who knows and who cares, buy what makes you feel that your car is better. Not what person A says, or report from XYZ has claimed.

Pointman · 10-19-2009, 04:03 PM

I would like to see a non biased report on the difference in the oils. Time to get the phone book out and call some experts. Until other wise instructed Redline oil is first rate.

Blown32 · 10-19-2009, 04:31 PM

Changed oil and filter at 2800 miles.Switched over to Mobil 1 and at 4700 I have not burned any oil at all.Still at the full level.
I'am very happy with my choice.Have been using in all my vehicles and bikes for years with great results.
So what ever makes you feel comfortable go for it!

shadow2k · 10-19-2009, 08:48 PM

I went with Pennzoil Platinum after doing a lot of reading both on here, and over at BITOG.

Temps haven't gone over 225, even when trying to beat the snot out of it...within reason. Gas mileage is the same. No ticking sound from the engine...was relatively quiet before, same as now. Basically nothing has changed, except now I can go longer before changing the oil because it's synthetic.

I know a lot of people from this forum went the Redline route. I would not have any worries about using it if I were you. I thought about it, but ultimately decided to go a different route.

dcrew1x · 10-19-2009, 09:05 PM

I've switched to redline at about 1400 miles and the car definitely drives smoother.

In terms of gas mileage, I'd say about the same; really just depends on your driving habits.

I may try Motul but redline is a solid choice for me in future oil changes.

Kyle@STILLEN · 10-20-2009, 01:25 PM

Just so you guys know, STILLEN is an authorized Redline distributor and we use it in our race cars. We just ran the Targa Newfoundland Rally with the Redline fluids in our GT R and we were very happy with the results.

On the rally we had a top Ferrari technician and one of the Nissan North America proving grounds technicians who both expressed their positive thoughts of Redline fluids.

Check it out if you're looking for a source!

STILLEN : Browse Products

Modshack · 10-20-2009, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow2k

I went with Pennzoil Platinum after doing a lot of reading both on here, and over at BITOG.

.

My next change as well...

10-19-2009, 08:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Redline Oil, still happy with it? I have a case of Redline Synthetic 5w30 coming tomorrow. It's my last chance to pull out before switching to synthetic from the Nissan Ester Oil. Things have been running nicely up to this point, but with the winter coming I think I'd rather run synthetic and make the switch. For anyone who has switched to synthetic and/or specifically Redline, are you still happy with your swap? __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

10-19-2009, 08:48 AM	#2 (permalink)
zZSportZz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,095 Drives: 370z Blk on Blk 6MT Rep Power: 18	Very happy with it. In fact, I have a second shipment on the way for my next oil change. __________________ --Rick

10-19-2009, 11:49 AM	#4 (permalink)
jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	I switched to Redline at 4000 miles and am now back with the Nissan ester. There is an interesting article by Mike Kojima on another site (can't post the address here) that goes into great detail about the Nissan oil. The price is about the same as Redline. Here are a couple of quotes: "Nissan's special oil and their newly developed hydrogen free DLC coating on cam followers reduces the amount of friction produced by the valve train by a huge amount. This can make a considerable difference in fuel economy, power output and perhaps even heat generation. What is Nissan's special oil? The oil was developed to complement Nissan's Hydrogen free DLC coating used on the cam followers in the QR25DE engine, the VQ35HR and the VQ37VHR engines. DLC stands for diamond like coating, which is an amorphous layer of carbon crystals with hard smooth properties much like diamond. Most of valve train friction is created by the interface between the cam follower and the cam lobe. DLC is very slippery stuff and Nissan uses it to reduce valvetrain friction to improve fuel economy, reduce emission and increase power. Nissan, in their search for improving oils frictional properties, figured out a way to substitute ultra hard nano particles for the normal chemical friction modifiers adding some interesting molecular twists. Again due to the convoluted nature of Nissan’s white papers and patents, its hard to guess exactly what the nano particles are but they are definitely an ultra hard industrial abrasive or bearing type ceramic and probably at least in part, nano particles of industrial diamond Nissans super oil is around 0.5% nano particles by weight. The particles are probably around 10 nanometers in diameter, really very small! A certain percentage of the nano particles have to be carbon based, preferably single crystal synthetic diamond. The carbon content helps make the nano particles attracted to the low hydrogen DLC coating. Instead of making a slippery metallic film on bare metal parts like traditional friction modifiers, the nano particles act like atomic level miniature ball bearings, preventing metal to metal contact and reducing friction to previously unheard of levels. These nano particles are ashless if they find there way into the engine, making the oil low deposit forming for lower emissions. The Nissan super oil does most of its friction reduction in the valvetrain but it still helps in other parts of the engine, particularly in areas where metal to metal contact might occur." Last edited by jpit; 10-19-2009 at 11:53 AM.

10-19-2009, 11:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Hmmm, interesting. I can't help but feel there is a lot of propaganda in that person's description. I read all that, look back at it and think "there is nothing tangible in that explanation". Lots of nano particles, diamond coatings, etc which are usually marketing buzz words. The devil's advocate would say that any benefit from nano particle interaction with 'special' engine coatings may not offset the difference in lubrication ability and temperature resistance to degradation offered by synthetic oils. From what I had seen before, the hype of the Nissan oil was the esters which Redline also contains. Perhaps they're not the 'special' Nissan esters? __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

10-19-2009, 12:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	So basically, I can tell my wife there are diamonds in the engine and then she'll go for the 350Z to 370Z swap! .......sweeet __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

10-19-2009, 09:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zeto Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North NJ Age: 40 Posts: 766 Drives: 09 Pearl White 370Z Rep Power: 267	Yes. Very.

10-19-2009, 12:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 17	I'm satisfied with my switch to the redline oils. I have put 1500 miles on it and it has been great. I wouldn't say that I noticed any performance improvement or less nvh like some have stated but I have not noticed a down grade either. I will use the Redline oil on my next change as well. __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

10-19-2009, 12:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	The guy who wrote the article on the Nissan oil is a top Nissan tuner who knows more about our engine than anyone on this site. He took the time to research exactly what goes into the Nissan oil. I have decided to base my decision on what oil to use based on his research and not on somebody's butt dyno. .

10-19-2009, 04:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
Pointman Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Pensacola, FL Posts: 128 Drives: 370Z Sport/Tour Nav Rep Power: 276	I would like to see a non biased report on the difference in the oils. Time to get the phone book out and call some experts. Until other wise instructed Redline oil is first rate. __________________ JTTF SQ8

10-19-2009, 04:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
Blown32 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N.J. Posts: 289 Drives: 09 370Z Blk sport 6T Rep Power: 16	Changed oil and filter at 2800 miles.Switched over to Mobil 1 and at 4700 I have not burned any oil at all.Still at the full level. I'am very happy with my choice.Have been using in all my vehicles and bikes for years with great results. So what ever makes you feel comfortable go for it!

10-19-2009, 08:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
shadow2k Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Overland Park, Kansas Posts: 143 Drives: 09 PG 370z 6MT Rep Power: 16	I went with Pennzoil Platinum after doing a lot of reading both on here, and over at BITOG. Temps haven't gone over 225, even when trying to beat the snot out of it...within reason. Gas mileage is the same. No ticking sound from the engine...was relatively quiet before, same as now. Basically nothing has changed, except now I can go longer before changing the oil because it's synthetic. I know a lot of people from this forum went the Redline route. I would not have any worries about using it if I were you. I thought about it, but ultimately decided to go a different route.

10-19-2009, 09:05 PM	#13 (permalink)
dcrew1x Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal Posts: 821 Drives: Graphite Bullet Rep Power: 369	I've switched to redline at about 1400 miles and the car definitely drives smoother. In terms of gas mileage, I'd say about the same; really just depends on your driving habits. I may try Motul but redline is a solid choice for me in future oil changes. __________________ 2009 PG 6MT Sports Stillen Gen3 CAI \| Stillen CBE \| AMS Short Shifter \| Nismo Brace Kit

10-20-2009, 01:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
Kyle@STILLEN The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 626 Drives: Toyota Tundra Rep Power: 307	Just so you guys know, STILLEN is an authorized Redline distributor and we use it in our race cars. We just ran the Targa Newfoundland Rally with the Redline fluids in our GT R and we were very happy with the results. On the rally we had a top Ferrari technician and one of the Nissan North America proving grounds technicians who both expressed their positive thoughts of Redline fluids. Check it out if you're looking for a source! STILLEN : Browse Products Last edited by Kyle@STILLEN; 10-20-2009 at 01:27 PM.

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