DIY: Oil Cooler (scratch built install, lottsa pics).....>.

vipor · 03-02-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cab83_750

My mistake! They are NOT (repeat NOT) recommended.

....This can cause the inner tube to be destroyed.....

Sorry. My lasik and fingers are not working right today.

Uh oh. Some one hand me a 10mm and some dikes STAT!

yellowZ · 03-02-2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vipor

Describe "let go" better.

Did the hose pop off of the fitting?
Did it rip/tear?

How clean and flat were your cuts?
How much tension was on the hose where it failed?

The hose popped off the fitting, no tears. When I pulled the undertray off the car, the hose was hanging away from its I made a completely clean cut and it was flush into the small aluminum coverlette.

The tension on the hose was minimal. I had the hoses ziptied together so they would track next to each other, but there was plenty of wiggle and flex room. To be specific, each hose can be pushed 1 inch in either direction yet are still held by zip ties to keep them in place. I do have the hoses wrapped in a leftover hose on the parts that might touch other areas of the vehicle so there are no worn areas that may cause a problem.

Its only been a day, but I've yet to hear from Aeroquip or Eaton.

Kevin

cab83_750 · 03-03-2010, 01:18 AM

Hey guys,

I found this post from Aeroquip socketless hose (FC598) - anyone else with issues? - Page 2 - LS1TECH

"The Aeroquip tech sheets indicate the FC598 should be used with crimped fittings (page 18 of the doc you linked to on post #6). Maybe the socketless fittings will still work with this hose (?), but all of the Aeroquip documentation I have found makes no mention of it; only the crimped fittings are noted for this hose.

Excuse me if I'm off base on this. I recently got a dry sump system I'll be fitting to a 4-cylinder, and it came with a length of FC598 and four socketless fittings. After reading the Aeroquip spec sheets, I'm thinking I should either get some crimped fittings or some different hose (FC332 socketless hose), and a search led me here."

Based on the post at ls1tech and here at the370z, I think I will go ahead and change my order to the blue fc332. I have nothing to lose except having a blue color.

I have also searched the web and it appears that when you slide the hose to the fitting, it is supposed to be a "major workout." Others even resort to heating the hose to help in installation. Did you guys encounter this norm, or did yours just slide over with just little force?

Mike · 03-03-2010, 09:19 AM

mine was pretty difficult to get on, especially the last 1/2 inch, why push it though and try the blue hoses when for about the same amount I can have my hose place make ones that will definitely not separate. 110 +shipping and paypal fees

m4a1mustang · 03-03-2010, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike

mine was pretty difficult to get on, especially the last 1/2 inch, why push it though and try the blue hoses when for about the same amount I can have my hose place make ones that will definitely not separate. 110 +shipping and paypal fees

Mike... I might take you up on this offer. I am going to be going to be using the Tru-Cool cooler and will probably start getting the kit together next month.

Mike · 03-03-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Mike... I might take you up on this offer. I am going to be going to be using the Tru-Cool cooler and will probably start getting the kit together next month.

Sure, let me know. The hose place is 5 minutes from my house, so its no inconvenience for me.

jborsos · 03-04-2010, 02:28 PM

My name is Jack Borsos, General Manager of Racer Parts Wholesale in Indy. I've received a couple of e-mails regarding this issue. I have been in contact with Aeroquip on this. Below is the response from Eric Durrant Manager, Aeroquip Performance Products.

Aeroquip's Performance Products FBN and FBV SOCKETLESS hoses are not designed for any type of clamp to place over the fitting once the fitting is inserted into the hose.

Aeroquip's Performance Products FBN hose is the same construction as FC598 and has been formally qualified with SOCKETLESS fittings at the 250 PSI pressure rating as stated in the Aeroquip Performance Products catalog for FBN hose. FC598 is not listed in the Aeroquip Industrial catalog with SOCKETLESS fittings, because of the advertised 100R6 pressure rating. In you want to achieve 100R6 pressures with FC598 you need a crimp fitting.

Eric Durrant
Manager, Aeroquip Performance Products

One other thing to remember is that when the hose is pressurized it actually
contracts by up to 10% because of the braid angle of the reinforcement
in the hose. Slack is very important in routing the hose.

To those that have purchased products from RPW I thank you for your support and can assure you that the Aeroquip products are of the highest quality and can be used with complete confidence. To those that have not purchased from us please visit our website.

Jack

m4a1mustang · 03-04-2010, 02:31 PM

Thanks for posting, Jack!

vipor · 03-04-2010, 02:44 PM

Thanks Jack! I've been very pleased with my products and have had zero issues as of yet. I was also very happy with your company in regards to friendliness, knowledge, and willingness to help. The product was also shipped very quickly, especially at your fixed rate.

Thanks for commenting!

jpit · 03-04-2010, 06:13 PM

Just finished installing the Modshack oil cooler kit. Did a couple of things differently. Instead of drilling two holes in the plastic panels I used a 2 1/8" hole saw and just made one and used 7" of 1/8 hose and fabricated a large grommet. Be very careful installing the elbow into the core as you can cross thread very easily. I did this and ended up taking it to a professional to get a new elbow (a brass fitting and a little more heavy duty) and he installed them for me. Of course, after I started it up there was a leak at the core with one of the brass fittings. He had used blue locktite and probably should have used locktite sealant. So I removed this fitting and went back to the blue elbow fitting and used teflon tape and everything seems to be working okay. The socketless fittings went on pretty easily with some SAE 30 lubricant and per Aeroquip's recommendation decided not to use any cable ties.

Mike · 03-04-2010, 06:19 PM

Thanks Jack,
I used the FBN1000 hose referenced at the beginning of this post with the socketless fittings and plenty of slack, no add on connectors, and the hose popped off and caused me to wreck.

I will stick to purpose built hoses from a professional manufacturer from now on.

jborsos · 03-04-2010, 06:48 PM

Mike,

I know it has been several months but do you still have the fittings and the hose that popped off? I know Aeroquip would like to inspect them if possible.

Thanks

Mike · 03-04-2010, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jborsos

Mike,

I know it has been several months but do you still have the fittings and the hose that popped off? I know Aeroquip would like to inspect them if possible.

Thanks

its actually only been a week and a half, but I told the hydraulic shop to throw them out, sorry.

jpit · 03-04-2010, 07:00 PM

It would be nice to know exactly what happened with your hose or fitting. These socketless fittings are approved for private aircraft, the NHRA has approved them and they have a reliable track record.

Mike · 03-04-2010, 07:14 PM

yea, I agree, but I had the new hoses made the day after my accident and don't think I was really thinking that straight or far ahead.

03-03-2010, 01:18 AM	#153 (permalink)
cab83_750 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Posts: 887 Drives: 09 NISSAN 370Z Rep Power: 417	Hey guys, I found this post from Aeroquip socketless hose (FC598) - anyone else with issues? - Page 2 - LS1TECH "The Aeroquip tech sheets indicate the FC598 should be used with crimped fittings (page 18 of the doc you linked to on post #6). Maybe the socketless fittings will still work with this hose (?), but all of the Aeroquip documentation I have found makes no mention of it; only the crimped fittings are noted for this hose. Excuse me if I'm off base on this. I recently got a dry sump system I'll be fitting to a 4-cylinder, and it came with a length of FC598 and four socketless fittings. After reading the Aeroquip spec sheets, I'm thinking I should either get some crimped fittings or some different hose (FC332 socketless hose), and a search led me here." Based on the post at ls1tech and here at the370z, I think I will go ahead and change my order to the blue fc332. I have nothing to lose except having a blue color. I have also searched the web and it appears that when you slide the hose to the fitting, it is supposed to be a "major workout." Others even resort to heating the hose to help in installation. Did you guys encounter this norm, or did yours just slide over with just little force? Last edited by cab83_750; 03-03-2010 at 08:42 AM.

03-03-2010, 09:19 AM	#154 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	mine was pretty difficult to get on, especially the last 1/2 inch, why push it though and try the blue hoses when for about the same amount I can have my hose place make ones that will definitely not separate. 110 +shipping and paypal fees __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

03-04-2010, 02:31 PM	#158 (permalink)
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03-04-2010, 02:44 PM	#159 (permalink)
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03-04-2010, 06:13 PM	#160 (permalink)
jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	Just finished installing the Modshack oil cooler kit. Did a couple of things differently. Instead of drilling two holes in the plastic panels I used a 2 1/8" hole saw and just made one and used 7" of 1/8 hose and fabricated a large grommet. Be very careful installing the elbow into the core as you can cross thread very easily. I did this and ended up taking it to a professional to get a new elbow (a brass fitting and a little more heavy duty) and he installed them for me. Of course, after I started it up there was a leak at the core with one of the brass fittings. He had used blue locktite and probably should have used locktite sealant. So I removed this fitting and went back to the blue elbow fitting and used teflon tape and everything seems to be working okay. The socketless fittings went on pretty easily with some SAE 30 lubricant and per Aeroquip's recommendation decided not to use any cable ties. Last edited by jpit; 03-04-2010 at 09:54 PM.

03-04-2010, 02:28 PM	#157 (permalink)
jborsos Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Frankin, IN Posts: 9 Drives: 2011 VW Jetta Rep Power: 15	My name is Jack Borsos, General Manager of Racer Parts Wholesale in Indy. I've received a couple of e-mails regarding this issue. I have been in contact with Aeroquip on this. Below is the response from Eric Durrant Manager, Aeroquip Performance Products. Aeroquip's Performance Products FBN and FBV SOCKETLESS hoses are not designed for any type of clamp to place over the fitting once the fitting is inserted into the hose. Aeroquip's Performance Products FBN hose is the same construction as FC598 and has been formally qualified with SOCKETLESS fittings at the 250 PSI pressure rating as stated in the Aeroquip Performance Products catalog for FBN hose. FC598 is not listed in the Aeroquip Industrial catalog with SOCKETLESS fittings, because of the advertised 100R6 pressure rating. In you want to achieve 100R6 pressures with FC598 you need a crimp fitting. Eric Durrant Manager, Aeroquip Performance Products One other thing to remember is that when the hose is pressurized it actually contracts by up to 10% because of the braid angle of the reinforcement in the hose. Slack is very important in routing the hose. To those that have purchased products from RPW I thank you for your support and can assure you that the Aeroquip products are of the highest quality and can be used with complete confidence. To those that have not purchased from us please visit our website. Jack

03-04-2010, 06:19 PM	#161 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	Thanks Jack, I used the FBN1000 hose referenced at the beginning of this post with the socketless fittings and plenty of slack, no add on connectors, and the hose popped off and caused me to wreck. I will stick to purpose built hoses from a professional manufacturer from now on. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

03-04-2010, 06:48 PM	#162 (permalink)
jborsos Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Frankin, IN Posts: 9 Drives: 2011 VW Jetta Rep Power: 15	Mike, I know it has been several months but do you still have the fittings and the hose that popped off? I know Aeroquip would like to inspect them if possible. Thanks

03-04-2010, 07:00 PM	#164 (permalink)
jpit Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 440 Drives: 370Z Tour MT w/Spt Rep Power: 16	It would be nice to know exactly what happened with your hose or fitting. These socketless fittings are approved for private aircraft, the NHRA has approved them and they have a reliable track record.

03-04-2010, 07:14 PM	#165 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	yea, I agree, but I had the new hoses made the day after my accident and don't think I was really thinking that straight or far ahead. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

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