DIY: Stillen header installation

semtex · 04-20-2009, 05:58 PM

Okay, I need to start this with a few disclaimers:

Although this is a DIY post, I do not actually recommend that anyone do this themselves as a DIY project. I highly recommend that you engage the services of an experienced/professional mechanic to install these headers for you (unless you happen to be a professional mechanic, of course). It is not an easy job; it requires the use of tools that only mechanics usually have handy, it would be VERY difficult without a lift, and it is also quite time consuming, even for a professional. Also, if you get into this halfway and decide that you're in over your head, you're screwed. Depending on how far you are into the process, you might not be able to put the stock headers back on, and then it's tow truck time.
This is not going to be a step by step guide on how to install these headers. Rather, my intent is to supplement the instructions that Stillen ships with the headers by highlighting some key things to watch out for and be aware of.
This is not intended to be a discussion thread to discuss driving impressions, dyno results, etc. If that's what you're looking for, there's a separate discussion thread with all that here: Stillen Headers installed - Review/Pics/Vid/Dyno

Installation highlights & pics:

I had a professional mechanic do my install. I helped a little, but really it was mostly him doing the work. The total amount of time it took him was 6 hours. This isn't counting the 3 hours he took to wrap my headers prior to the install. Not sure why it took that long to wrap the headers, but that's how long he says he spent wrapping them.

Wrapping the headers with header wrap is not mandatory. Indeed, I went with the ceramic coated headers, and the ceramic coat provides some thermal insulation. But I decided to go ahead and have them wrapped anyway, just to maximize the heat retention (which maximizes exhaust efficiency). For the header wrap, I went with Thermo-Tec's Gen 2 Copper wrap, which is pre-coated with a copper coating, thus eliminating the need to spray them with high-temp coating after wrapping (which is required when you use a 'normal' wrap).

Here are the headers, all wrapped and ready to go:

In order to remove the factory headers, you have to remove the heat shields first. Here's the stock header on the passenger side after the heat shield has been removed:

Close-up view showing O2 sensor and connection flange with cat:

FYI, the passenger side is a lot easier to remove/install, because there are far fewer lines and hoses on the passenger side. So if you try to do the passenger side and find it difficult, stop right there. Don't even attempt the driver's side until you get help, because the passenger side is a piece of cake compared to the driver's side.

Here's the stock header after it was removed. I recommend you leave the O2 sensor attached when you remove the factory header (rather than try to remove the sensor while the factory header is still bolted to the engine). This way, you'll have plenty of room to work with when removing the O2 sensor, which is definitely not what you'll have if you try to get them off while the factory headers are still bolted to the engine. But be careful not to knock/damage the O2 sensor when extracting the factory header. Once you have the entire unit out, spray some penetrating lube into the threads and let it sit for a while. The O2 sensor is in there really tight, and if you try to remove it without loosening it with penetrating lube, you'll be able to move it about an inch and then it'll just bind right up.

Now, that's not to say that the O2 sensor is easy to get out even after you use penetrating lubricant. It still takes a fair amount of muscle, and as you can see below, the threads partially stripped. (My mechanic was able to easily restore the thread using one of his specialty tools.)

If it still binds even after using penetrating lube, you may need to remove the sensor only partially and spray some more lubricant and let it sit again. In other words, just remove it a bit at a time, stopping and re-spraying each time it binds. Be patient! You could also try applying heat with a blow torch. But be careful! If you damage the sensors, my understanding is that it's a special order item that takes 4-5 days for a dealer parts dept. to bring in, and they cost something like $400 a piece. This is one of the reasons I recommend you have a professional mechanic do this install, btw.

Installing the new header was straightforward. Bolting the new headers up is a lot easier if you use an air ratchet, btw. The only word of caution here is to make sure you can work by touch. Especially on the driver's side, there are some bolts that you simply can't see. You need to feel for them and work with them without being able to see them.

Here's the passenger side header installed, viewed from the top:

Viewed from the bottom:

Depending on whether or not you already have aftermarket HFCs or test pipes installed, as well as a cat-back exhaust, you may run into some issues after the header installation is complete. First, the headers are angled slightly lower than stock, which means that things don't all line up properly when it's time to re-attach the cats and the cat-back. Here are some pics to show you what I mean.

The flange of the HFC no longer lines up perfectly with the cat-back:

Another view:

Secondly, if you have HFCs or test pipes, you may find that the bolts that Stillen supplies to connect the header and cat/test pipe flanges are about a quarter inch too short. I have Berk HFCs. Check out how little thread there is once the HFCs were connected to the headers:

Here is a pic showing a Berk-supplied bolt side by side with a Stillen-supplied bolt:

We decided to re-use what Berk bolts we had. The thing is, Berk only supplies 4 bolts instead of 6, because the stock header has a stud attached to it, which means you only need two new bolts per flange (scroll up and look at the pic of the stock header laying on the floor and you'll see what I mean). Well, the Stillen headers aren't set up with a stud attached. It just has 3 holes per flange, which means you need 3 bolts per flange. So we ended up using two Berk bolts per flange, and had no choice but to use one of the shorty Stillen bolts on each flange. I don't know if this is an issue with other brand HFCs or test pipes; it depends on the thickness of the flanges. The root cause of this is that the flanges on the stock cats are thinner than those on the Berks. So to be fair, Stillen is actually supplying the right size bolts because they're anticipating that their headers are going to be connected to stock cats. In other words, it's not so much that Stillen is supplying short bolts, but more the case that Berk is supplying extra long bolts because they know their flange is thicker. The only problem is that they're only supplying four, not six, because Berk is assuming that their HFCs are being hooked up to stock headers, not aftermarket ones.

Note the shiny new Stillen bolt at the bottom, and the older Berk bolt at the top:

Okay, so back to the issue of connecting the HFCs back up to the cat-back exhaust. As shown above, the angle of the Stillen headers causes the flanges to no longer line up perfectly. What you basically have to do is force them to line up then bolt them together, which is exactly what we did. If you're still running the factory cat-back exhaust, this should be easy because the factory Y-pipe has two flexible sections that will allow relatively easy adjustment. Most aftermarket cat-backs do not have these flexible sections, however, so you have to rely on muscle.

If you have the Stillen cat-back exhaust (as I do), the angle of the headers and resultant need to force the connection between the HFCs and cat-back together exacerbates the problem of the exhaust contacting the cross-member.

This is the cross-member I'm talking about:

There are different ways to deal with this. But we put hose clamps around the rubber hangers and tightened them to compress the hangers and pull the exhaust off the cross-member:

With that, the installation was complete.

I hope you find this helpful. Please feel free to have your mechanic review this if you're preparing to have these headers installed. And don't forget the rep pts if you found this post helpful.

SOLISIMO · 04-20-2009, 06:17 PM

Looks like Stillen copied the exact same stock header just in SS. Some guys on the G are seeing lost in torque with them. But +1 for the review

wstar · 04-20-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLISIMO

Looks like Stillen copied the exact same stock header just in SS. Some guys on the G are seeing lost in torque with them. But +1 for the review

The Stillen and Stock units are not identical.

2bits · 04-22-2009, 06:47 PM

Any need to reinstall the heatshields, or is the wrap sufficient? I assume for those not wrapping, the heatshields are still needed.

semtex · 04-22-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2bits

Any need to reinstall the heatshields, or is the wrap sufficient? I assume for those not wrapping, the heatshields are still needed.

You can't re-install the heat shields. They pretty much get trashed when you take them out.

wstar · 04-22-2009, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by semtex

You can't re-install the heat shields. They pretty much get trashed when you take them out.

Not to mention the factory heat shield attach to the exhaust manifolds themselves. There are no mount points for them on the replacement headers.

ZYUL8R · 05-09-2009, 12:09 AM

I wonder if this is any harder than the header install on the 350z....i tackled that job 3 times...yeah it was tough...but definately doable. I certainly would caution someone to use professional help if they doubt thier "DIY skills". It probably would be good to look at the DIY for the 350z header install.

Josh@STILLEN · 05-09-2009, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZYUL8R

I wonder if this is any harder than the header install on the 350z....i tackled that job 3 times...yeah it was tough...but definately doable. I certainly would caution someone to use professional help if they doubt thier "DIY skills". It probably would be good to look at the DIY for the 350z header install.

I'm not familiar with the intricacies not doing it personally.. but I do not believe it is a whole lot different.. just a PITA..

westpak · 05-09-2009, 08:54 PM

yeah it is pretty much the same PITA, although the passenger side on the 370Z is easier when getting at the bolt from the top as there is not as much stuff on that side of the engine as in the 350Z

ZYUL8R · 05-10-2009, 03:06 AM

If its the same pita as the 350z...its all worth it in the end....i only used basic tools that to do it...basic sockets, wrench, lots of extensions and swivels. I plan on taking this job on in the near future.

westpak · 05-10-2009, 10:04 AM

it will depend on how cooperative the bolts are, the top bolt on the cat-header connection on the drivers side of the car we did did not want to come out, we tried impact gun and everything, and had to take the headers and cat out as one, not too bad just made it more of a PITA

semtex · 05-10-2009, 11:46 AM

I view that as more of a cat issue though, not a header issue. In other words, you're going to have to deal with this issue even if you're only installing HFCs or test pipes and leaving the stock headers in. Hence it's not really a header installation issue. But yeah, those header to cat bolts are a major pain. I actually broke a swivel joint on one of them.

SoCal 370Z · 05-10-2009, 12:31 PM

Just one question: Was your mechanic able to use a torque wrench on every header bolt to the heads during installation? Thanks.

CBRich · 05-10-2009, 05:00 PM

Just glancing through and had a thought. In the event that you change both the headers AND the cats is it possible unbolt at the block and back of the cats and pull the whole assembly out that way? Or is it just too tight?

semtex · 05-10-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z

Just one question: Was your mechanic able to use a torque wrench on every header bolt to the heads during installation? Thanks.

I honestly can't remember if he even used one. I remember him using an air ratchet, and I think he may have just set the torque with the air ratchet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBRich

Just glancing through and had a thought. In the event that you change both the headers AND the cats is it possible unbolt at the block and back of the cats and pull the whole assembly out that way? Or is it just too tight?

That shouldn't be a problem. The space isn't not too tight to do that.

04-20-2009, 05:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	DIY: Stillen header installation Okay, I need to start this with a few disclaimers: Although this is a DIY post, I do not actually recommend that anyone do this themselves as a DIY project. I highly recommend that you engage the services of an experienced/professional mechanic to install these headers for you (unless you happen to be a professional mechanic, of course). It is not an easy job; it requires the use of tools that only mechanics usually have handy, it would be VERY difficult without a lift, and it is also quite time consuming, even for a professional. Also, if you get into this halfway and decide that you're in over your head, you're screwed. Depending on how far you are into the process, you might not be able to put the stock headers back on, and then it's tow truck time. This is not going to be a step by step guide on how to install these headers. Rather, my intent is to supplement the instructions that Stillen ships with the headers by highlighting some key things to watch out for and be aware of. This is not intended to be a discussion thread to discuss driving impressions, dyno results, etc. If that's what you're looking for, there's a separate discussion thread with all that here: Stillen Headers installed - Review/Pics/Vid/Dyno Installation highlights & pics: I had a professional mechanic do my install. I helped a little, but really it was mostly him doing the work. The total amount of time it took him was 6 hours. This isn't counting the 3 hours he took to wrap my headers prior to the install. Not sure why it took that long to wrap the headers, but that's how long he says he spent wrapping them. Wrapping the headers with header wrap is not mandatory. Indeed, I went with the ceramic coated headers, and the ceramic coat provides some thermal insulation. But I decided to go ahead and have them wrapped anyway, just to maximize the heat retention (which maximizes exhaust efficiency). For the header wrap, I went with Thermo-Tec's Gen 2 Copper wrap, which is pre-coated with a copper coating, thus eliminating the need to spray them with high-temp coating after wrapping (which is required when you use a 'normal' wrap). Here are the headers, all wrapped and ready to go: In order to remove the factory headers, you have to remove the heat shields first. Here's the stock header on the passenger side after the heat shield has been removed: Close-up view showing O2 sensor and connection flange with cat: FYI, the passenger side is a lot easier to remove/install, because there are far fewer lines and hoses on the passenger side. So if you try to do the passenger side and find it difficult, stop right there. Don't even attempt the driver's side until you get help, because the passenger side is a piece of cake compared to the driver's side. Here's the stock header after it was removed. I recommend you leave the O2 sensor attached when you remove the factory header (rather than try to remove the sensor while the factory header is still bolted to the engine). This way, you'll have plenty of room to work with when removing the O2 sensor, which is definitely not what you'll have if you try to get them off while the factory headers are still bolted to the engine. But be careful not to knock/damage the O2 sensor when extracting the factory header. Once you have the entire unit out, spray some penetrating lube into the threads and let it sit for a while. The O2 sensor is in there really tight, and if you try to remove it without loosening it with penetrating lube, you'll be able to move it about an inch and then it'll just bind right up. Now, that's not to say that the O2 sensor is easy to get out even after you use penetrating lubricant. It still takes a fair amount of muscle, and as you can see below, the threads partially stripped. (My mechanic was able to easily restore the thread using one of his specialty tools.) If it still binds even after using penetrating lube, you may need to remove the sensor only partially and spray some more lubricant and let it sit again. In other words, just remove it a bit at a time, stopping and re-spraying each time it binds. Be patient! You could also try applying heat with a blow torch. But be careful! If you damage the sensors, my understanding is that it's a special order item that takes 4-5 days for a dealer parts dept. to bring in, and they cost something like $400 a piece. This is one of the reasons I recommend you have a professional mechanic do this install, btw. Installing the new header was straightforward. Bolting the new headers up is a lot easier if you use an air ratchet, btw. The only word of caution here is to make sure you can work by touch. Especially on the driver's side, there are some bolts that you simply can't see. You need to feel for them and work with them without being able to see them. Here's the passenger side header installed, viewed from the top: Viewed from the bottom: Depending on whether or not you already have aftermarket HFCs or test pipes installed, as well as a cat-back exhaust, you may run into some issues after the header installation is complete. First, the headers are angled slightly lower than stock, which means that things don't all line up properly when it's time to re-attach the cats and the cat-back. Here are some pics to show you what I mean. The flange of the HFC no longer lines up perfectly with the cat-back: Another view: Secondly, if you have HFCs or test pipes, you may find that the bolts that Stillen supplies to connect the header and cat/test pipe flanges are about a quarter inch too short. I have Berk HFCs. Check out how little thread there is once the HFCs were connected to the headers: Here is a pic showing a Berk-supplied bolt side by side with a Stillen-supplied bolt: We decided to re-use what Berk bolts we had. The thing is, Berk only supplies 4 bolts instead of 6, because the stock header has a stud attached to it, which means you only need two new bolts per flange (scroll up and look at the pic of the stock header laying on the floor and you'll see what I mean). Well, the Stillen headers aren't set up with a stud attached. It just has 3 holes per flange, which means you need 3 bolts per flange. So we ended up using two Berk bolts per flange, and had no choice but to use one of the shorty Stillen bolts on each flange. I don't know if this is an issue with other brand HFCs or test pipes; it depends on the thickness of the flanges. The root cause of this is that the flanges on the stock cats are thinner than those on the Berks. So to be fair, Stillen is actually supplying the right size bolts because they're anticipating that their headers are going to be connected to stock cats. In other words, it's not so much that Stillen is supplying short bolts, but more the case that Berk is supplying extra long bolts because they know their flange is thicker. The only problem is that they're only supplying four, not six, because Berk is assuming that their HFCs are being hooked up to stock headers, not aftermarket ones. Note the shiny new Stillen bolt at the bottom, and the older Berk bolt at the top: Okay, so back to the issue of connecting the HFCs back up to the cat-back exhaust. As shown above, the angle of the Stillen headers causes the flanges to no longer line up perfectly. What you basically have to do is force them to line up then bolt them together, which is exactly what we did. If you're still running the factory cat-back exhaust, this should be easy because the factory Y-pipe has two flexible sections that will allow relatively easy adjustment. Most aftermarket cat-backs do not have these flexible sections, however, so you have to rely on muscle. If you have the Stillen cat-back exhaust (as I do), the angle of the headers and resultant need to force the connection between the HFCs and cat-back together exacerbates the problem of the exhaust contacting the cross-member. This is the cross-member I'm talking about: There are different ways to deal with this. But we put hose clamps around the rubber hangers and tightened them to compress the hangers and pull the exhaust off the cross-member: With that, the installation was complete. I hope you find this helpful. Please feel free to have your mechanic review this if you're preparing to have these headers installed. And don't forget the rep pts if you found this post helpful. Stevenalex801, Zbrah, NelsonV and 4 others like this. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

05-09-2009, 12:09 AM	#7 (permalink)
ZYUL8R Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, tx Posts: 140 Drives: 09 370z T/S, 03 S2K Rep Power: 16	I wonder if this is any harder than the header install on the 350z....i tackled that job 3 times...yeah it was tough...but definately doable. I certainly would caution someone to use professional help if they doubt thier "DIY skills". It probably would be good to look at the DIY for the 350z header install. Last edited by ZYUL8R; 05-09-2009 at 12:12 AM.

05-09-2009, 08:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
westpak Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 405 Drives: 2003 350Z DB Rep Power: 16	yeah it is pretty much the same PITA, although the passenger side on the 370Z is easier when getting at the bolt from the top as there is not as much stuff on that side of the engine as in the 350Z __________________ 03 350Z 587 RWHP - May 2009 Dsport Feature

05-10-2009, 10:04 AM	#11 (permalink)
westpak Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lake Worth, FL Posts: 405 Drives: 2003 350Z DB Rep Power: 16	it will depend on how cooperative the bolts are, the top bolt on the cat-header connection on the drivers side of the car we did did not want to come out, we tried impact gun and everything, and had to take the headers and cat out as one, not too bad just made it more of a PITA __________________ 03 350Z 587 RWHP - May 2009 Dsport Feature

05-10-2009, 11:46 AM	#12 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	I view that as more of a cat issue though, not a header issue. In other words, you're going to have to deal with this issue even if you're only installing HFCs or test pipes and leaving the stock headers in. Hence it's not really a header installation issue. But yeah, those header to cat bolts are a major pain. I actually broke a swivel joint on one of them. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

04-20-2009, 06:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
SOLISIMO Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 510 Drives: TOP SECRET G37S Rep Power: 17	Looks like Stillen copied the exact same stock header just in SS. Some guys on the G are seeing lost in torque with them. But +1 for the review

04-22-2009, 06:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
2bits Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 118 Drives: 09 370Z Blk Sp 7AT Rep Power: 16	Any need to reinstall the heatshields, or is the wrap sufficient? I assume for those not wrapping, the heatshields are still needed.

05-10-2009, 03:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
ZYUL8R Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Corpus Christi, tx Posts: 140 Drives: 09 370z T/S, 03 S2K Rep Power: 16	If its the same pita as the 350z...its all worth it in the end....i only used basic tools that to do it...basic sockets, wrench, lots of extensions and swivels. I plan on taking this job on in the near future.

05-10-2009, 12:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
SoCal 370Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US of A Posts: 2,842 Drives: Answers Rep Power: 33	Just one question: Was your mechanic able to use a torque wrench on every header bolt to the heads during installation? Thanks. __________________ ( Click to show/hide ) Why I NEVER say NO to the Panda Lou Fusz!!!

05-10-2009, 05:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
CBRich A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,464 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 544	Just glancing through and had a thought. In the event that you change both the headers AND the cats is it possible unbolt at the block and back of the cats and pull the whole assembly out that way? Or is it just too tight?

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