One Pass with SSR & SHR - LOOK!

Junkman2008

Here is a car that a buddy of mine bought over for me to look at. As you can see, it was covered in swirls. However, I was able to do what I did with the Flex 3401VRG and some Adam's Severe Swirl Remover and Swirl & Haze Remover. My technique combined with that machine and those products created these results. This is not a machine for a novice, but if you are experienced with the PC-7424XP, you can add this machine to your arsenal. Let's review this, as I have shown how to do this a whole bunch of times in my videos. All of the swirls are not gone, but most people would give an arm to have this much improvement in their swirled up cars.

This is your car:



This is your car on drive through car washes, one bucket washes and improper dust removing practices:



This is my buddies car after using the Flex with one pass of Severe Swirl Remover on the green pad, and Swirl & Haze Remover on the orange pad. No Fine Machine Polish has been used at this point (which would be the last and final step before applying wax), and look at the results!



Class dismissed.


The Junkman

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Methodical4u

It looks nice man, but in all honesty the swirls look pretty much all superficial. I have gotten similar results with my Flex DA, orange pad and Menzerna power gloss.

It does look nice and GM has very hard paints as well though so if someone was in the market for a good swirl remover, this might be a good product to try out.

MacCool

Nasty swirling, AJ. I still see some micro-marring after the SHR, ought to come right out with the Fine Machine Polish I know you're getting ready to use.

Thus far, the PC with Adam's polishing stuff has more than met my needs. What would be the advantage to the Flex polisher? Is it just faster? Or would there be some other reason to use it if we're only talking paint correction a few times a year?


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Junkman2008

You cannot look at a picture of some swirls and tell what it is going to take to remove them. I have dealt with cars that appeared to be a lost cause and cleaned up real quick. At the same time, I have seen cars that didn't look that bad, but I thought would take Jesus himself to fix because they were so hard to correct.

As far as what I use, this is not a comparison thread. I'm showing what I used and how it worked. There are no telling how many products that I can use to do this, but there is only one that I use who offers their customers a 110% money back guarantee if they are not truly satisfied with their results.

Menzerna is NOT that product.

Actually, I wouldn't move to Fine Machine Polish until ALL the damage was removed. I wanted to show my friend just how easy this stuff was so I used the Flex to speed up my results. That is the one advantage of the Flex. Faster paint correction.

One thing to note. The Flex is not a machine that I would use alone. It is a machine that I would use to compliment a less powerful machine like the PC. Once you have managed to remove all the damage from your paint, there is absolutely no need to keep touching your paint with something like the Flex. If you have to constantly fix your paint with the Flex, then you are obviously doing something wrong when you touch your paint. The PC is the perfect polisher to maintain your paint after all the damage has been removed.

Here's my rule of thumb with paint correction. A full correction should be a one time event in the life of your paint. From that point forward, proper washing and dust removal will result in you never having to do a full correction again. Yes, you will pick up minor damage with the use of your car but this damage should be easily removed with the PC and some Fine Machine Polish. Something is wrong if you have to get more aggressive than that.

If you are getting what you need out of the PC, by all means stick with it. I would never say that the Flex is better than the PC, only that it offers something different and has it's place in a detailing arsenal. Look at it like adding twin turbos to your Z. That doesn't make it better than a stock Z (especially with the price of gas), but it makes it better if the application that you used your Z for was bracket strip racing. So the word "better" has to be looked at in the context for which it is used.

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MacCool

Yeah, I think I'll pass on the Flex for the time being. My finish came out to my satisfaction with the PC after the dealer's new-car "detailing", now all I'll need to do is hit it 2-3 times a year for touch up. I should be fine with the PC.

I agree about the other products. Adam's stuff was what I stumbled onto first and it's been easy to use and given excellent results. I'm sure there's other good stuff out there, but I see no need to explore the landscape any further. Excellent customer service and 110% guarantee.

Junkman2008

And I came from exactly the other direction. I used a bunch of stuff until I found Adam's and like you found it very simple to learn and for me, to teach with. Like you, I have no need to do a bunch of experimenting because I have products that deal with every level of paint care. I don't do this for a living so experimenting is nothing but a waste of money for me. I have something that works and in the end, that's all I need.

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Methodical4u

The PC is nice.. the Flex is quite a powerful machine and unless you require serious correction, or plan on detailing for money then it's likely not needed. I don't like how the PC bogs down under pressure. The Flex doesn't do this... not much pressure is needed, but the PC has a lot of uses and everyone should own one even if that isn't their main machine for correction. I like it to apply my waxes/sealants and to get into small areas for correction.. the Flex is big and can be hard to maneuver sometimes.

Methodical4u

Menzerna doesn't need that guarantee because their product delivers... if it doesn't then you are doing something wrong.

I wasn't comparing, I simply stated that the car did not look that bad and it doesn't... I too have been doing this for a while and I know when I see something if it's pretty bad or not.

This isn't a pissing contest and I don't really care how you got swirl marks out of something... basically ANY product out there that is a polish will take out what you did or what I have with cars i've done. It's about what each person likes... why do they like one product over another? They all have their reasons.

I talk to professional detailers all the time and learn things quite often that I didn't know.. you said before you don't do this for money... well I do. I also do it for enjoyment, as I like to take cars and make them look good... nothing wrong with getting paid for that in the process.

Junkman2008

Adam puts his money were his mouth is. I haven't seen that from Menzerna. Also, Adam's supports this forum. Don't see Menzerna listed anywhere. Maybe you could prod them for a sponsorship? Every little bit helps keep the lights on around here.

And that's a claim that you can't make since you never saw the car in person. I did. Be realistic.

How long you have been doing this doesn't make the car appear in front of you. If that was the case, tell me how many passes of your product choice it would have taken to fix this? Keep in mind, I already know the answer...



I'm going to love your answer on this one.

Nope, nothing wrong with getting paid at all. I just get paid a lot more to do wht I do and sweat is nowhere in the equation.

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MacCool

Yeah, I've seen your posts before. I'm pretty sure it's a pissing contest to you...

Forrest

Reading your posts on the detailing forum. Your hostility level is too high on a consistent basis. Every now an again okay, people have their days. But you got a vendetta going on.

There is your first piss that starts the contest. Are you so retarded that you think nobody realizes there is different product to use that can get same results?

I hate to say it but your statement isn't too far off from saying "Oh yeah well my dad Menzerna is stronger an can beat your dad Adam up!"

Just calm the hell down and relax. If you want to help when it comes to machine polishing a car, please feel free to write a guide. Make some videos. I will watch them and learn technique from you. As of now though your just coming off as a douche.

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Junkman2008

Next!

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Methodical4u

lmao

Methodical4u

Let's just try this since we aren't going to agree on detailing most of the time.

Junkman, are you a boxing fan? lol

Junkman2008

Yes I am. I live in the city that gave the world, "The Greatest of All Time".

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