Help!!!

Osiris · 11-26-2010, 09:15 AM

I tried searching for this, but all i can find is help with water marks. I have a magnetic black z and while at family's for thanksgiving, i attempted to do a little detailing.

The nose of my car has some spots that appear to be slight rough areas or possibly scratches? in the clear coat. So, i used what was available that my father had in his garage. I used Toyo Guard Sealant Cleaner on one of these small spots. What resulted is what looks like a cloudy area on the spot i put it on...and it won't come off no matter how much i try to buff it out.

How do i get rid of it? What product will help me? Should i try one of those color restoring products? If so which one?

It just seems the Toyo Guard reacted to the clear coat in some way. I was going to take a pic, but the camera can't seem to see it because, although it is a cloudy spot, it is still a reflective surface. But with they eye, some you either see it a tiny bit, and other angles it's like a huge spot.

DetailAddict · 11-26-2010, 11:24 AM

slight rough spot? try clay bar first... after that try some other polishes

Osiris · 11-26-2010, 11:46 AM

as you can tell, i'm not a detailing expert....will clay bar correct the problem i created? Also, i thought clay bar was to remove hard to remove dirt?

Cmike2780 · 11-26-2010, 11:51 AM

Most likely it created small scratches to your paint like a swirl and haze remover would. What you need is a fine polish to clear it back up again. I use the stuff from Adams, but other quality brands will work just as well. Clay bar will only remove any contaminants, so I would do that first anyways.

Osiris · 11-26-2010, 12:02 PM

and a polish is different than a wax yea? So like, Adams Fine Polish (if there is such a thing)?

Xan · 11-26-2010, 12:04 PM

Most likely you hazed the paint, just need to polish/buff it back to a shine.

Just to be sure, first get some water with a lot of dishwasher soap and clean it.
It might just be residue....

Osiris · 11-26-2010, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan

Most likely you hazed the paint, just need to polish/buff it back to a shine.

Just to be sure, first get some water with a lot of dishwasher soap and clean it.
It might just be residue....

well, all i know is buffing it by hand has absolutely no effect. its almost like the haze is under the clear coat, but really not.

Junkman2008 · 11-26-2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris

well, all i know is buffing it by hand has absolutely no effect. its almost like the haze is under the clear coat, but really not.

Here you go man. You need to first understand what these products do to your paint before you go buying stuff and trying to fix it yourself. These videos explain the simple process of paint repair. That stuff you used has dulled the paint and now you need to undo the damage that stuff has done. It has a purpose, you just used it at the wrong time and for the wrong application. After watching those videos, you will be a lot better informed on how to fix your problem.

Doing it by hand is for the birds. You need to invest in a PC. These videos will explain to you the safety in doing so. It's not as complicated as you think it is when you are armed with the right information.

Osiris · 11-27-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkman2008

Here you go man. You need to first understand what these products do to your paint before you go buying stuff and trying to fix it yourself. These videos explain the simple process of paint repair. That stuff you used has dulled the paint and now you need to undo the damage that stuff has done. It has a purpose, you just used it at the wrong time and for the wrong application. After watching those videos, you will be a lot better informed on how to fix your problem.

Doing it by hand is for the birds. You need to invest in a PC. These videos will explain to you the safety in doing so. It's not as complicated as you think it is when you are armed with the right information.

I'm all for investing in a PC, but what you're telling me is i'm screwed until i do? So to fix this spot, i gotta shell out the $$ for the PC and all the products? No emergency manual fix? It is xmas and all...money is kinda tight.

Xan · 11-27-2010, 12:51 PM

If you get some good polish there is no need for a pc.
Sure if you do whole cars and do it often, but to fix this one spot a little elbow grease goes a long way.

Junkman2008 · 11-27-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris

I'm all for investing in a PC, but what you're telling me is i'm screwed until i do? So to fix this spot, i gotta shell out the $$ for the PC and all the products? No emergency manual fix? It is xmas and all...money is kinda tight.

You tried it by hand and found out how hard it is. You can do it by hand but it takes a lot of work. If you want it fixed right now, pay a professional to do it.

Osiris · 11-27-2010, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan

If you get some good polish there is no need for a pc.
Sure if you do whole cars and do it often, but to fix this one spot a little elbow grease goes a long way.

What polish would you recommend for this fix attempt? If it doesn't work, than i'll do as junkman suggests and pay for a professional. Thanks.

Xan · 11-27-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Osiris

What polish would you recommend for this fix attempt? If it doesn't work, than i'll do as junkman suggests and pay for a professional. Thanks.

Hard to judge without seeing it, but if the damage is light enough I would use Meguiar's M205, if that doesn't get it out, you could go a little heavier and use some M105, which you would have to follow up with M205.

Junkman2008 · 11-27-2010, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Xan

Hard to judge without seeing it, but if the damage is light enough I would use Meguiar's M205, if that doesn't get it out, you could go a little heavier and use some M105, which you would have to follow up with M205.

Those polishes are not made for hand use and thus, will not perform as they are designed. They both have diminishing abrasive which is why you need to use them on a polisher in order for them to work as they are designed. They are, however, excellent polishes for the polisher.

Xan · 11-27-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkman2008

Those polishes are not made for hand use and thus, will not perform as they are designed. They both have diminishing abrasive which is why you need to use them on a polisher in order for them to work as they are designed. They are, however, excellent polishes for the polisher.

Unlike most polishes, M105 and M205 work great by hand because it doesn't break down as fast as regular machine polishes. And I have used this combo by hand with great results.. (and with me plenty of other people)

11-26-2010, 09:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Osiris A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: http://www.cfzclub.com/ Posts: 1,524 Drives: Angry Rep Power: 20	Help!!! I tried searching for this, but all i can find is help with water marks. I have a magnetic black z and while at family's for thanksgiving, i attempted to do a little detailing. The nose of my car has some spots that appear to be slight rough areas or possibly scratches? in the clear coat. So, i used what was available that my father had in his garage. I used Toyo Guard Sealant Cleaner on one of these small spots. What resulted is what looks like a cloudy area on the spot i put it on...and it won't come off no matter how much i try to buff it out. How do i get rid of it? What product will help me? Should i try one of those color restoring products? If so which one? It just seems the Toyo Guard reacted to the clear coat in some way. I was going to take a pic, but the camera can't seem to see it because, although it is a cloudy spot, it is still a reflective surface. But with they eye, some you either see it a tiny bit, and other angles it's like a huge spot. __________________ ^^^^^^^^^Like our Facebook!^^^^^^^^^

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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Most likely it created small scratches to your paint like a swirl and haze remover would. What you need is a fine polish to clear it back up again. I use the stuff from Adams, but other quality brands will work just as well. Clay bar will only remove any contaminants, so I would do that first anyways. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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Osiris A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: http://www.cfzclub.com/ Posts: 1,524 Drives: Angry Rep Power: 20	and a polish is different than a wax yea? So like, Adams Fine Polish (if there is such a thing)? __________________ ^^^^^^^^^Like our Facebook!^^^^^^^^^

11-26-2010, 12:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
Xan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts:99999999999999 Posts: 3,301 Drives: 370Z 40th Aniversary Rep Power: 25	Most likely you hazed the paint, just need to polish/buff it back to a shine. Just to be sure, first get some water with a lot of dishwasher soap and clean it. It might just be residue.... __________________

11-26-2010, 11:24 AM	#2 (permalink)
DetailAddict Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fremont, CA Posts: 50 Drives: car Rep Power: 15	slight rough spot? try clay bar first... after that try some other polishes

11-27-2010, 12:51 PM	#10 (permalink)
Xan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts:99999999999999 Posts: 3,301 Drives: 370Z 40th Aniversary Rep Power: 25	If you get some good polish there is no need for a pc. Sure if you do whole cars and do it often, but to fix this one spot a little elbow grease goes a long way. __________________