Scratch/Swirl Removal & Sealant

vifferman · 06-26-2010, 06:19 PM

IMHO, there is little need to pay for high-end products here. No one is more particular or anal retentive than I; and I've achieved stellar results with nothing more exotic than "Kit Scratch Out." I've used it very successfully on my last four cars (SAAB 900SE, Honda Accord EXL Coupe, Acura TSX, and now my new 370Z Roadster). If I'm working only on a small area, I may apply it by hand; but I generally apply and remove/polish with an orbital buffer (again, no need to spend $130+ for a Porter-Cable IMO). I have a 9-inch Craftsman and a 6-inch MVP that have served me well. I think I paid something like $4.99 for my last 7 oz. bottle of "Kit Scratch Out," and perhaps $40 & $20 respectively for the two orbital buffers.

NOTE: For best results with an orbital buffer - apply & remove with separate, clean terry cloth bonnets, then buff to a final shine with a microfiber bonnet. The Kit Scratch Out formulation does include a modicum of silicone (some may object), but it works nicely for me to add some shine/protection to the polishing process.

AdamsPolishes · 06-27-2010, 01:00 PM

The fact that you're using terry bonnets alone tells me that my definition of "scratch/swirl free" and yours are very different.

NXTAZEE · 06-27-2010, 01:59 PM

It all depends on your level of acceptance or experience. I've been in the detailing business for a long time and can honestly tell you there is a big difference between the products you accept as "stellar" and my level of acceptance. I have many types of polishes and compounds, and two types of polishers, for every condition of paint in need of repair. And you also need to consider the way paint reacts with the polish and or compound. Some paints you need to use diminishing abrasives while others require the use of non-diminishing abrasives to polish out to perfection. 99% of all my details are black and my customers want as close to perfection as possible, so the appropriate products and techniques are a must. If what you are using is acceptable to you then hey thats great, but there are fear better products and machines available that will yield much better results, as well as people like myself that know the difference. If you are truly that anal about your car, then my I suggest you spend some time doing some research at Autopia.org, a very good source of info.

370Zsteve · 06-27-2010, 02:29 PM

And so it begins....

StealthZ · 06-27-2010, 05:40 PM

your kidding... right?

I am standing right beside Dylan on this one. And I have also done detailing for a long time, I must second there is a huge difference between what you are suggesting and may accept and what I would.
To each his own and good luck

vifferman · 06-28-2010, 04:39 PM

Granted - I may have overstated things a bit with use of the word "stellar," but my car delivered with myriad surface scratches/blemishes (not apparent on inspection at the dealership), and my well-tested process with the "Kit Scratch Out" removed them all beautifully without leaving any swirls (I'm very diligent & careful, so your results may vary). I won't argue against the higher-end products (no doubt some are superior), but my 40+ years of experience suggests that the law of diminishing returns applies here in a big way. The intended point of my original post was only to suggest that you need not spend a lot of money just to remove surface scratches et al. But, if the cost is of little concern to you; do whatever feels good. BTW - I grew up in an era of car enthusiasts that didn't have such things as polymers and microfiber bonnets/cloths. There was no shortage of highly-polished, scratch/swirl-free show cars in the late 60s/early 70s, so...

NXTAZEE · 06-28-2010, 11:57 PM

I agree with the law of diminishing returns, but I believe it applies more to expensive waxes more than abrasives. Quality abrasives are not expensive, and when bought in bulk they can be cheaper than the previously mentioned. A quality polish is a lot easier to work with than the cheap stuff as well, flash points, work times etc. Scratch out is meant for removing light scratches by hand in small areas, not by machine for the whole car. Again if it works for you and you like it then it's all good.

kenchan · 06-29-2010, 01:38 PM

i have a lot of detailing gear but sometimes use off-the-shelf stuff like ScratchX. it's easy to use, and does the job. no need to use expensive polishes to do minor repairs.

StealthZ · 06-29-2010, 02:32 PM

Not trying to continue the ''arguement", but I guess I never thought of Megs' M105/205 or D151 to be expensive. Use what works for you.

NXTAZEE · 06-29-2010, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StealthZ

Not trying to continue the ''arguement", but I guess I never thought of Megs' M105/205 or D151 to be expensive. Use what works for you.

Thats what I think as well. You spend 40K + on a car and then try to buy the cheapest polish available

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Junkman2008 · 07-02-2010, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NXTAZEE

Thats what I think as well. You spend 40K + on a car and then try to buy the cheapest polish available

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I like to compare threads like these to guys who hook you up with a blind date. One guy's 5 star may be another guy's two-bagger. One guy's "expensive" may be pocket change to another.

If I knew nothing about paint correction, I would never believe a guys paint advice until I had an opportunity to see his paint work.

NXTAZEE · 07-03-2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junkman2008

I like to compare threads like these to guys who hook you up with a blind date. One guy's 5 star may be another guy's two-bagger. One guy's "expensive" may be pocket change to another.

If I knew nothing about paint correction, I would never believe a guys paint advice until I had an opportunity to see his paint work.

Thats pretty funny but very true. And your right on about the paint work. I would like to show a couple pics from some of my work. I hope these are not two-baggers to some

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Junkman2008 · 07-03-2010, 12:09 PM

My God, a El Camino with no rust on it?!

I love pictures like these. There's no hiding from the halogens. This is the type of picture I want to see when looking at a guy's paint who claims that it is flawless. Perfect example!

RomRox · 07-15-2010, 04:09 AM

That looks like great work! Unfortunately, to see some clear coat scratches you need to see the paint at different angles and have the light at different angles. This is why, I dont think pictures do black/darker color cars any justice. You have to see them in real life.

When I was doing some very fine scratch correction this past evening, some of the scratches I couldnt quite see unless the light was at a certain angle and I was looking at it from a certain angle. I thought about this as I was working and thought this is bordering on rediculous. The paint is near perfect and no one would see or notice whatever scratch i was trying to fix! This isnt normal, people! Should have gotten a white 370! lol

StealthZ · 07-15-2010, 09:41 AM

great work! thats what I like to see. Complete transformation. Great example and good pictures of capturing the swirls.

06-26-2010, 06:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
vifferman Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 62 Drives: '04 TSX, '10 370ZR Rep Power: 16	Scratch/Swirl Removal & Sealant IMHO, there is little need to pay for high-end products here. No one is more particular or anal retentive than I; and I've achieved stellar results with nothing more exotic than "Kit Scratch Out." I've used it very successfully on my last four cars (SAAB 900SE, Honda Accord EXL Coupe, Acura TSX, and now my new 370Z Roadster). If I'm working only on a small area, I may apply it by hand; but I generally apply and remove/polish with an orbital buffer (again, no need to spend $130+ for a Porter-Cable IMO). I have a 9-inch Craftsman and a 6-inch MVP that have served me well. I think I paid something like $4.99 for my last 7 oz. bottle of "Kit Scratch Out," and perhaps $40 & $20 respectively for the two orbital buffers. NOTE: For best results with an orbital buffer - apply & remove with separate, clean terry cloth bonnets, then buff to a final shine with a microfiber bonnet. The Kit Scratch Out formulation does include a modicum of silicone (some may object), but it works nicely for me to add some shine/protection to the polishing process.

06-27-2010, 01:00 PM	#2 (permalink)
AdamsPolishes The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 724 Drives: 2009 Avalanche Rep Power: 16	The fact that you're using terry bonnets alone tells me that my definition of "scratch/swirl free" and yours are very different. __________________ Use the code NISSANZ* at checkout to save 10% off your next order at www.AdamsPolishes.com*

06-27-2010, 01:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
NXTAZEE Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 530 Drives: 2010 370Z 7AT Rep Power: 17	It all depends on your level of acceptance or experience. I've been in the detailing business for a long time and can honestly tell you there is a big difference between the products you accept as "stellar" and my level of acceptance. I have many types of polishes and compounds, and two types of polishers, for every condition of paint in need of repair. And you also need to consider the way paint reacts with the polish and or compound. Some paints you need to use diminishing abrasives while others require the use of non-diminishing abrasives to polish out to perfection. 99% of all my details are black and my customers want as close to perfection as possible, so the appropriate products and techniques are a must. If what you are using is acceptable to you then hey thats great, but there are fear better products and machines available that will yield much better results, as well as people like myself that know the difference. If you are truly that anal about your car, then my I suggest you spend some time doing some research at Autopia.org, a very good source of info. __________________ 2010 Carbon Silver 370Z 7AT charcoal int. sports package \| Clear Bra \| Invidia Gemini CBE \| CF B-Pillars \| CF Fangs \| CF Z emblems \| Swift Springs \| 20mm & 25mm Spacers \| SPC Camber Arms \| Brushed Aluminum shift knob

06-27-2010, 02:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	And so it begins.... __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

06-28-2010, 04:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
vifferman Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 62 Drives: '04 TSX, '10 370ZR Rep Power: 16	Scratch/Swirl Removal & Sealant Granted - I may have overstated things a bit with use of the word "stellar," but my car delivered with myriad surface scratches/blemishes (not apparent on inspection at the dealership), and my well-tested process with the "Kit Scratch Out" removed them all beautifully without leaving any swirls (I'm very diligent & careful, so your results may vary). I won't argue against the higher-end products (no doubt some are superior), but my 40+ years of experience suggests that the law of diminishing returns applies here in a big way. The intended point of my original post was only to suggest that you need not spend a lot of money just to remove surface scratches et al. But, if the cost is of little concern to you; do whatever feels good. BTW - I grew up in an era of car enthusiasts that didn't have such things as polymers and microfiber bonnets/cloths. There was no shortage of highly-polished, scratch/swirl-free show cars in the late 60s/early 70s, so...

06-27-2010, 05:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
StealthZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 356 Drives: '14 GTR Premium Rep Power: 17	your kidding... right? I am standing right beside Dylan on this one. And I have also done detailing for a long time, I must second there is a huge difference between what you are suggesting and may accept and what I would. To each his own and good luck

06-28-2010, 11:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
NXTAZEE Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver Island Posts: 530 Drives: 2010 370Z 7AT Rep Power: 17	I agree with the law of diminishing returns, but I believe it applies more to expensive waxes more than abrasives. Quality abrasives are not expensive, and when bought in bulk they can be cheaper than the previously mentioned. A quality polish is a lot easier to work with than the cheap stuff as well, flash points, work times etc. Scratch out is meant for removing light scratches by hand in small areas, not by machine for the whole car. Again if it works for you and you like it then it's all good. __________________ 2010 Carbon Silver 370Z 7AT charcoal int. sports package \| Clear Bra \| Invidia Gemini CBE \| CF B-Pillars \| CF Fangs \| CF Z emblems \| Swift Springs \| 20mm & 25mm Spacers \| SPC Camber Arms \| Brushed Aluminum shift knob Last edited by NXTAZEE; 06-29-2010 at 12:02 AM. Reason: spelling

06-29-2010, 01:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	i have a lot of detailing gear but sometimes use off-the-shelf stuff like ScratchX. it's easy to use, and does the job. no need to use expensive polishes to do minor repairs.

06-29-2010, 02:32 PM	#9 (permalink)
StealthZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 356 Drives: '14 GTR Premium Rep Power: 17	Not trying to continue the ''arguement", but I guess I never thought of Megs' M105/205 or D151 to be expensive. Use what works for you.

07-03-2010, 12:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Junkman2008 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 1,048 Drives: 2001 Corvette Coupe Rep Power: 10259	My God, a El Camino with no rust on it?! I love pictures like these. There's no hiding from the halogens. This is the type of picture I want to see when looking at a guy's paint who claims that it is flawless. Perfect example! __________________ "Marines - Making the other guy die for his country for over 200 years."

07-15-2010, 04:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
RomRox Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 110 Drives: 10 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 15	That looks like great work! Unfortunately, to see some clear coat scratches you need to see the paint at different angles and have the light at different angles. This is why, I dont think pictures do black/darker color cars any justice. You have to see them in real life. When I was doing some very fine scratch correction this past evening, some of the scratches I couldnt quite see unless the light was at a certain angle and I was looking at it from a certain angle. I thought about this as I was working and thought this is bordering on rediculous. The paint is near perfect and no one would see or notice whatever scratch i was trying to fix! This isnt normal, people! Should have gotten a white 370! lol

07-15-2010, 09:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
StealthZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 356 Drives: '14 GTR Premium Rep Power: 17	great work! thats what I like to see. Complete transformation. Great example and good pictures of capturing the swirls.

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