Poll - GTA GB for oil cooler
 

Last week at the ertefa meet we had a good z34 showing. We had talked about setting up a group buy for an oil cooler kit. So I wanted some feed back as to which size you guys wanted to go with. As well as any preferences for which brand to!

I'll go first, personally I would like to go with a 34 row oil cooler kit. Nismo one preferably.

It's a good idea, but I'm out. I'm going to buy a Boosted Performance turbo kit which comes with an oil cooler.

If I was buying one now it would be the AE Performance oil cooler.

You will need to contact AK370Z for approval

It is strictly prohibited to launch group buys unless you're vendor (or have pm'ed me first to grant permission or pay a one time fee)

http://www.the370z.com/parts-sale-pr...ied-rules.html

Huh? Wait, what?






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I am not even doing the group buy??? I have talked with some vendors to see if they could supply it. I only am asking other members what kit they would prefer if we are going to get a group buy organized.

This was just an attempt to gather people's opinions and see where we stand numbers wise so that we can communicate with a vendor to get one for us up here north of the boarder..............


Lock it if you must, but I don't see what I am doing wrong. Not selling anything just asking for peoples opinion/preference.:ugh2:

Triple..
Please do understand. All we're trying to do is to find enough people so we could get some better pricing from vendors. In no way is LMBmikeZ making any money off this GB.

Anyways. I've done loads of researches and I would suggest going for the Z1 kit.

Here's from info some of my research...
Stillen:
Pros: Have a choice between 19-row and 25-row. Cheaper if you use their "Gold" series instead of the Setrab ones
Cons: mounts on Passenger side per their installation guide(??) and will be stacking with the steering wheel cooler. Requires to use a specific oil filter type (Per their instruction, Fram Oil Filter #PH3950 or equivalent)

AAM:
Pros: (??)
Cons: Requires drilling the front crash bar (Won't work for FI applications that removes the bar "PHIL")

Nismo:
Pros: OEM Nismo. No drilling required.
Cons: no thermostatic plate, unless purchased aftermarket from aftermarket companies like Z1, and $$$

Z1:
Pros: Customizable.
Cons: (??)

All the ones with (??) are those that I'm not sure.

Nissan 370Z, 2009+ / Infiniti G37, 2008+ (Coupe only) Oil Cooler Kit Installation Video - YouTube

not the same kit but related

This is 100% true I have no financial ties to any of the vendors, and we will be using a forum vendor to supply us with the GB. I have already had a few talks with couple of them, they just want to know more details for the unit so they can finalize there own details, so I started a thread to get feedback on what we all wanted.......


I to have been looking, and re-looking still lol. I am liking the Z1 kits to! I like that they can offer all sizes to.......

i have the GTM cooler + the greedy oil pan.

Thats was the main concern

Thank You for making it perfectly clear.

carry-on :tiphat:

Go with the 34 row since you can always put a blocking plate if too cold and remove it for track duty if need be. I have the Z1 kit and I did just that for the road. Blocked it off with 3" plate resulting at 20-32C ambient, it'll never get pass 100C during stop and go.

hmmmm.... I have the Stillen 19 row and was able to mount it easily on the driver/centre area of the front support. Just have to move the ambient temp sensor away from the cooler.
The need for 24/34 row coolers is limited to those who track their cars really. My 19 row is perfect for DD and will handle hard driving and stop and go traffic no problem. The larger coolers may be an issue with over cooling.... it takes a long time for my oil to come up to temp already! Better suited for southern states and heavy track days IMHO

Anyone with a Z1 kit can chime in?

That's why you need to get one with a thermostatic Oil Sandwich Plate :)

ummm... mine comes with one. The reality is, the plate is never completely closed to prevent thermal shock to the engine. So it does take a while for the oil to fully come up to operating temp even with a sandwich plate that is thermostatically operated.

This is correct. The fact that you have an extra quart of oil in the cooler and lines also adds to the time it takes for the oil to come up to normal operating temperature. Like I said, I have a Z1 kit with 34 row cooler and for the street and my location, it is over kill hence I've have had to make use of a blocking plate to increase the temperature. Without it, even at 25C it will not get past 80C. The kit is too efficient for the street IMO, but would be great should it be tracked I assume given the cooling efficiency.

Whoops didn't read you were using Stillen kit lol.. sorry my bad.

Then would you think a 25-row would be OK for both DD and light tracking? Or would the 19-row be enough?
By calculations, blocking off a 34-row with a 3" plate is approximately the height of a 25-row. So would that mean 25-row would be fine for DD?

IMHO, light tracking means that you should be fine with a 19 row in our Canadian climate. Heavier tracking or FI systems definitely need more oil cooling power. It's the daily driving part that worries me most... I want to make sure my oil is warm enough before I step on it at all, but as soon as I am up to temp, it never goes over 90! Keep in mind, the temps you are reading on the stock gauge are the RETURN line temps, not the feed line temps.

so:
DD & Light Tracker = 19 row
DD & heavy tracker = 25 row
Heavy tracker or FI = 34 row

my :twocents:

I've never tracked my Roadster but I remembered when I did my initial investigation, a Stillen rep recommend the 19 row for my climate. By deduction, a 25 rows would be recommended for 'DD and light tracking'. I only went my route because I am not sure if I will FI or how it will respond to tracking sessions, so it was safer to buy more than I needed now and make due with the blocking plate.

On that note, I have had some rethinking about how to manage the temperature to exact degree using a more sophisticated method than a blocking plate at the cooler . If you were to install a ball valve between the cooler and the engine, you can regulate exact amount of oil to the cooler. This will necessitate a bypass line to form a loop when the valve is in a close position. The down side is additional cost for the valve, bypass line and 2 t-fittings. The upside is you can regulate your oil flow to exact rate to the cooler.

I don't see how 90 or 100 temps are bad that you guys are referring to, that's 190-212F, and our cars start to pull timing anything over 220F, only issue would be how long it gets to operating temps, and as for that anything over 150-160F is more than enough for you to be able to step on it

so i would be in for the 25 row and even the 34 in case i plan on FI for later down the road

NP:tup: I realize my first post didn't make that point, but I was meaning to make it. Forgot that I was opening this to more then the original 7-8 members that were at the meet!:rofl2:


This was my understanding to, that's why I figured more of us would be interested in a 34. Some of us have FI plans in the future and some already have FI (phil:driving:) I also agree that gauge readings should be off the feed so I would also suggest redoing the oil temp gauge to read the feed line in the system over the return as whee is saying. I remember that being a topic on the z32 forums was where to feed the gauge (feed vs return)

im definately in and agree with the Z1 choice. personally i might go to the track once or twice, so a 19 row would fit my purposes best, but if we can get a good deal on the 25 row count me in on it. Just ordered my exhaust components so oil cooler is next on the list.

19 his out of the question for trying to get a GB, I don't even want to inquire about the small one opens it up to too many options. Lets just keep the options to either a 25 or 34 row kit.

I don't even know why you guys are considering that, 25 should be a minimum especially if you plan on playing with power/FI mods in the future.

My bias is also leaning towards the Z1 kits to! I like that they offer so many choices to make the kit how you want it....

I was cruising on the highway from Brantford to Toronto today in 34 degree weather and my oil temps were between 105 to 110. Need to get this oil cool deal going.

Also, I think 25 row as it will not be needed in the winter and easier to block off without blocking too much of the radiator.

i know this is abit off topic, but whats the benefit of blocking off a part of the oil cooler? I am not at all aware of such procedures.

Blocking off part of the cooler prevent cooling air from passing through part of the cooler's cooling fins therefore decrease it's heat transfer to air efficiency. This is usually done with an aluminum plate velcro to the sides of the cooler. Too much cooling prevents the oil from attaining it's optimum temperature.

In for Z1 also.

From the sounds of your comments, I would recommend the 25 row and a blocking plate for daily driving. Either a blocking plate or a remotely operated "shutter" system to open or close the air flow incrementaly in order to control cooling in different conditions.
Good Luck guys!

FI guys are really the only ones that should consider the 32 row...

So for now, let's decide on Z1 kits?

Who's in?
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So for now, let's decide on Z1 kits?

Who's in?
1: Da.Menace
2: P3rsiani (Pref 34 row)
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I have already messaged John at Z1 I will let you all know what he replies with....

Who's in?
1: Da.Menace
2: P3rsiani -34
3: LMBmikeZ -34
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I have already messaged John at Z1 I will let you all know what he replies with....

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1: Da.Menace
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3: LMBmikeZ -34
4: AWX Z34 - 34
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FIXED:tiphat:

Who's in?
1: Da.Menace - 25
2: P3rsiani -34
3: LMBmikeZ -34
4: AWX Z34 - 34
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RE-FIXED :)

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I still haven't herd back from z1:ugh2:

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Too bad... Guess we'll wait for them to reply.

Also, although I'm not sure how this would work out, but I'm suggesting to grab the whole shipment from the states (Say UPS Customer center at Niagara Falls), and then distribute them at a group meet. This would save a bunch of money from shipping fees and brokerage.

According to the shipping fees on Z1's website
Shipping to 14301 = $13.60
Shipping to L3T 5W5 (Phil's place, for example) = $64.19 + brokerage fee from fedex approx $52 = $106.19 = stupid.

Above listed shipping prices are for each unit. Probably more discount with a batch order shipment.

Roundtrip from Phil's place to UPS Customer Center = approx 350KM = less than a tank of gas.

If, from the list above, 4 people are buying = total savings per person would be approx $80 in shipping alone, say after deducting the gas money to drive to the states.

Another option is.. get all the kits to ship to 1 place...

Shipping to L3T 5W5 = $139.47 + brokerage fee from fedex approx $73.25 = $212.72 / 4 = $53.18

With this method, we only had to pay approx $54 per person for shipping, plus taxes paid of course.

Who's in?
1: Da.Menace - 25
2: P3rsiani -34
3: LMBmikeZ -34
4: AWX Z34 - 34
5: N0SL3N - 25
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Going bigger with a blocking plate sounds like a good idea. The problem with the Canadian climate is the temperature fluctuations. If your in B.C, its not bad as it stays mild. But in Ontario, mid summer is just as hot as any southern state, this year we have been as high as 108 F outside already.

You guys should consider doing a one time delivery to a UPS mailbox in Niagara Falls NY. You pay a small fee and can have your items shipped there, then just have 1 guy pick them up and bring them over.

unless z1 makes you a invoice that is very cheap, the boarder will rape you with taxes and such

im fine with it all being shipped to one address and splitting the shipping