2017 370z

dvboy · 03-29-2016, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by barncobob

here in Ca my 16 sport was about $3500 more than base, why would it be $14K up there? I wouldn't pay that much for an upgrade of this nature.

I hear what you are saying,but with exchange the sport ($44,000) in Canada =$3366 in US funds,so that is in line.A better question would be "why is the base so cheap in Canada"??At $30,000 CAD here in Canada that = $22,962 in US funds for a new 2016 base 370z!!

Carbon · 03-29-2016, 11:01 PM

I had special ordered a 2016 nismo in january from japan. In march they told me they stopped production of the 2016 and are making the 2017 now. I got my 2017 built just getting ready to be imported. They are charging me the same amount for the 2016 nismo for the 2017 nismo which is $52,600

mishuko · 03-30-2016, 07:41 AM

I guess it's worth mentioning Canada's trims are base, touring, touring sport, nismo.

totally understand your situation though. the saving grace with SRM on the sport model is that it rev match for you and wife when she drives which will be a lot easier to play with.

Darwins Child · 03-30-2016, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

I guess it's worth mentioning Canada's trims are base, touring, touring sport, nismo.

totally understand your situation though. the saving grace with SRM on the sport model is that it rev match for you and wife when she drives which will be a lot easier to play with.

Yes, I realize that the base does not have rev match. I drove manuals for many years, as did my wife. None of those vehicles had rev match. We and the vehicles survived quite well without it, but I must admit that I find it intriguing. The good thing is that it is a feature that will never ever malfunction on the base.

Does anyone see a big downside to not having LSD for more or less normal street driving?

FWIW, I thought that this was a good, frank review of the Canadian base:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ed0oXONZw

mishuko · 03-30-2016, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwins Child

Yes, I realize that the base does not have rev match. I drove manuals for many years, as did my wife. None of those vehicles had rev match. We and the vehicles survived quite well without it, but I must admit that I find it intriguing. The good thing is that it is a feature that will never ever malfunction on the base.

Does anyone see a big downside to not having LSD for more or less normal street driving?

FWIW, I thought that this was a good, frank review of the Canadian base:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ed0oXONZw

Ahh good on you! I turn my off once in awhile to practice incase it does malfunction or something.

not really in terms of the LSD... probably won't see a difference if you're not going spirited/track.

oh another thing to mention on touring are the power seats / heated seats if that's a game changer or not.

I'm a bit mixed for the review. hits some points misses others. 0-60 time is arguable and should really be mid 5's if he turned of VDC and launched properly. he said the steering is light but personally I feel it's a bit heavier than what I'm used to (Toyota's). rubbery shifting I found more 'notchy'? clutch play is funny as well. it catches close to the top of the pedal stroke.

there is also a lot of cabin noise in the car. it's very noticeable (regardless of trim) and gets worst as the tires wear down. a decent set of rubber should help calm it a bit.

one thing you're doing is your research... good on you buddy and hope you make the right purchase for your needs! oh if you do get it... welcome and have lots and lots of fun with it!

Darwins Child · 03-30-2016, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

Ahh good on you! I turn my off once in awhile to practice incase it does malfunction or something.

not really in terms of the LSD... probably won't see a difference if you're not going spirited/track.

oh another thing to mention on touring are the power seats / heated seats if that's a game changer or not.

I'm a bit mixed for the review. hits some points misses others. 0-60 time is arguable and should really be mid 5's if he turned of VDC and launched properly. he said the steering is light but personally I feel it's a bit heavier than what I'm used to (Toyota's). rubbery shifting I found more 'notchy'? clutch play is funny as well. it catches close to the top of the pedal stroke.

there is also a lot of cabin noise in the car. it's very noticeable (regardless of trim) and gets worst as the tires wear down. a decent set of rubber should help calm it a bit.

one thing you're doing is your research... good on you buddy and hope you make the right purchase for your needs! oh if you do get it... welcome and have lots and lots of fun with it!

Thanks and thanks for the review of the video. AFAIK, the base does not have VDC.

We presently own a '10 Mit. Outlander, so we are experiencing road noise like you wouldn't believe. Our previous vehicle was a '92 Accord and it also had tremendous road noise. So we'll feel right at home with road noise.

We don't need or want heated/cooled seats in what will be our summer-only vehicle.

Although I have not yet driven a 370, I have sat in the red base that we're considering buying. There are a few reasons why I actually prefer the manual cloth seats (but I hope that the seat fabric is improved over Nissan's traditional, questionable-quality seat-fabrics).

First, I have slightly better legroom with the manual seat.

Second, because my wife and I are vastly different sizes, a vehicle's seat position for each of us is precisely the opposite in every direction. So the seat mechanism will be used a great deal, to its limits. After some initial practice, each of us will be able to adjust the seat position in a fraction of the time necessary for the power seat. Not only that, but, just like the non-existent rev-match, the non-existent power seat components will never ever need maintenance.

Third, my torso is generally more comfortable in the shape of the base's seat. I believe that the manual seat's side-bolsters are not as confining as the leather power seat's, but I might be wrong on that.

Additionally, I believe that as the seat cushioning "breaks in" over time, it will become even more comfortable.

Lastly, if the 7's seats' covers are removable like the 5's, should Nissan's delicate cloth fabric wear unacceptably, I can install aftermarket leather myself in a few hours for a few hundred.

We'll be taking a test ride in a few days and will report back our impressions of everything.

While I'm at it, is it "hands free" to unlock the vehicle's doors, or do you have to hit the "unlock" button on the FOB?

Thanks.

mishuko · 03-30-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwins Child

Thanks and thanks for the review of the video. AFAIK, the base does not have VDC.

We presently own a '10 Mit. Outlander, so we are experiencing road noise like you wouldn't believe. Our previous vehicle was a '92 Accord and it also had tremendous road noise. So we'll feel right at home with road noise.

We don't need or want heated/cooled seats in what will be our summer-only vehicle.

Although I have not yet driven a 370, I have sat in the red base that we're considering buying. There are a few reasons why I actually prefer the manual cloth seats (but I hope that the seat fabric is improved over Nissan's traditional, questionable-quality seat-fabrics).

First, I have slightly better legroom with the manual seat.

Second, because my wife and I are vastly different sizes, a vehicle's seat position for each of us is precisely the opposite in every direction. So the seat mechanism will be used a great deal, to its limits. After some initial practice, each of us will be able to adjust the seat position in a fraction of the time necessary for the power seat. Not only that, but, just like the non-existent rev-match, the non-existent power seat components will never ever need maintenance.

Third, my torso is generally more comfortable in the shape of the base's seat. I believe that the manual seat's side-bolsters are not as confining as the leather power seat's, but I might be wrong on that.

Additionally, I believe that as the seat cushioning "breaks in" over time, it will become even more comfortable.

Lastly, if the 7's seats' covers are removable like the 5's, should Nissan's delicate cloth fabric wear unacceptably, I can install aftermarket leather myself in a few hours for a few hundred.

We'll be taking a test ride in a few days and will report back our impressions of everything.

While I'm at it, is it "hands free" to unlock the vehicle's doors, or do you have to hit the "unlock" button on the FOB?

Thanks.

I am pretty sure all the trims of the cars have the VDC button (on the left hand side about the size of the start button) but I could be wrong. he did spin his tires at the start so he may have had it off. the sport does have better tires so that's probably another reason why he didn't get a good a time.

I haven't driven in any of the vehicles you mentioned so I can't compare. There are some DIY mods to reduce road noise. I did line my trunk in hushmat and I can actually hear the engine throttle a lot better. The worst I found was driving in the rain where it sounded like it was raining inside the car. going over dirty road caused a lot of 'pinging' but i found it was drastically reduced after. YMMV and I'm not saying it's silent like a lexus. it's still loud... just I am able to enjoy my exhaust and engine noise better

there is actually a button on the door handle I use to unlock. it will only unlock your side. so it's not like a hands free entry altogether.

oh one more thing you should also be aware of... do some research on CSC. lots of threads in the general/tech area about it.

Darwins Child · 03-30-2016, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

.............
oh one more thing you should also be aware of... do some research on CSC. lots of threads in the general/tech area about it.

Thanks for the heads up! I just checked the last few pages of this long thread:
Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures
and it seems that this problem is still occurring even in 2016 vehicles, even after all the elapsed time of Nissan knowing of the problem. Not only that, but are their replacement parts any better than the originals? That is, if Nissan replaces the parts, is there bound to be another failure at some point down the road?

Does this problem eventually affect all 370Z clutches or just an unlucky few? If it does eventually affect all, I'm now more inclined to go with a used auto, especially since my wife would be happier with an auto and I'm ambivalent.

mishuko · 03-31-2016, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwins Child

Thanks for the heads up! I just checked the last few pages of this long thread:
Sticky: (Official) 370Z Clutch Pressure (CSC) Failures
and it seems that this problem is still occurring even in 2016 vehicles, even after all the elapsed time of Nissan knowing of the problem. Not only that, but are their replacement parts any better than the originals? That is, if Nissan replaces the parts, is there bound to be another failure at some point down the road?

Does this problem eventually affect all 370Z clutches or just an unlucky few? If it does eventually affect all, I'm now more inclined to go with a used auto, especially since my wife would be happier with an auto and I'm ambivalent.

it WILL happen. when? uhh not sure. some have gone off the lot others gone over 50k. I did a pre-emptive attack at 39k with an aftermarket csc. Nissan changed it to an external on the 350 later gens. then went back to original design with the 370 as an internal.. durpitiy durp durp.

btw as much as people will bash the auto's (I'm guilty) it's not bad at all. it's actually faster 0-60. the automatic is pretty damn good. I'm not sure if the base model has the padal shifters in Canada though.

LMBmikeZ · 03-31-2016, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

.....
btw as much as people will bash the auto's (I'm guilty) it's not bad at all. it's actually faster 0-60. the automatic is pretty damn good. I'm not sure if the base model has the padal shifters in Canada though.

yes it's "faster" but a Z/sports car needs to be MT we all know this. It is part of the joy of driving it and being connected with the machine.

AT just doesn't do it for me with a toy/hobby/fun car

I guess if the Z is your DD then sure AT is more sensible, but when I see people start using these arguments...........

.........then biotch you shouldn't be buying a Z cause in no way is a Z sensible/practical/economical (the list goes on) vehicle.

-it's a 2 seater
-limited cargo space
-not fuel efficient what so ever
-premium fuel recommended
etc
etc
etc

LMBmikeZ · 03-31-2016, 08:41 AM

as far as the CSC goes..........seriously Nissan

but all cars have their flaws/recalls etc

Steering lock????

just waiting for mine to go then I will do the fix available through Zspeed

mishuko · 03-31-2016, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ

yes it's "faster" but a Z/sports car needs to be MT we all know this. It is part of the joy of driving it and being connected with the machine.

AT just doesn't do it for me with a toy/hobby/fun car

I guess if the Z is your DD then sure AT is more sensible, but when I see people start using these arguments...........

.........then biotch you shouldn't be buying a Z cause in no way is a Z sensible/practical/economical (the list goes on) vehicle.

-it's a 2 seater
-limited cargo space
-not fuel efficient what so ever
-premium fuel recommended
etc
etc
etc

2 seater but you got a trunk

depends on what you're hauling. I've fit quiet a bit into my trunk without much difficulty. a round of tetris if you think you'll have trouble and you're good to go!
premium fuel - required. not a recommendation.

Darwins Child · 03-31-2016, 11:58 AM

I remember that the slave cylinders on the old manual cars that I drove back in the 60's and 70s were almost always on the outside housing of the transmission/clutch and were easy to bleed or replace. If I remember correctly, it was a very similar placement to the one shown on the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-U_QEn4uR8

To me, putting the thing on the inside of the bell housing is crazy, and has been proven to be so, but it must be great for stealership service departments, regardless of who's paying the tab.

I've driven both manual and auto 350Zs and AFAIK there are no paddle shifters available on their autos. You must momentarily blip the selector forward or backward while its in the "sport shifting" position. The one thing I noticed on the autos was how fast they shifted going either up or down. They transitioned and snapped into gear really fast -- far faster than our '10 Outlander XLS auto with its paddle shifters, where there is some noticeable, slippery lag while the transmission completes the shift.

I've just watched some interesting 370Z auto videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWkQFJ2lwQ
and this one of a young newbie owner being filmed by his Commander in Chief wife or girlfriend (but my money is on the former):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHIqYvaNi0
and here's a pure 0-60 with auto that impresses me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egltrSJYM0

I doubt like heck that I could manually shift any faster than the auto ......... but I'm more than willing to give it a try and I will do so on our test drive of the base. If the slave cylinder should fail during that drive, so be it. Edmonntonians are enjoying some great summer-like weather, so the walk will be nice.

LMBmikeZ · 03-31-2016, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishuko

2 seater but you got a trunk

depends on what you're hauling. I've fit quiet a bit into my trunk without much difficulty. a round of tetris if you think you'll have trouble and you're good to go!
premium fuel - required. not a recommendation.

with you lots can fit back there but a nice sedan would kill it when comparing trunk size, functionality etc.

Also premium is a must in my opinion but I know people that do not use it.

some driving "higher end vehicles"

they say "....but it was just a recommendation"

mishuko · 03-31-2016, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darwins Child

I remember that the slave cylinders on the old manual cars that I drove back in the 60's and 70s were almost always on the outside housing of the transmission/clutch and were easy to bleed or replace. If I remember correctly, it was a very similar placement to the one shown on the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-U_QEn4uR8

To me, putting the thing on the inside of the bell housing is crazy, and has been proven to be so, but it must be great for stealership service departments, regardless of who's paying the tab.

I've driven both manual and auto 350Zs and AFAIK there are no paddle shifters available on their autos. You must momentarily blip the selector forward or backward while its in the "sport shifting" position. The one thing I noticed on the autos was how fast they shifted going either up or down. They transitioned and snapped into gear really fast -- far faster than our '10 Outlander XLS auto with its paddle shifters, where there is some noticeable, slippery lag while the transmission completes the shift.

I've just watched some interesting 370Z auto videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWkQFJ2lwQ
and this one of a young newbie owner being filmed by his Commander in Chief wife or girlfriend (but my money is on the former):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHIqYvaNi0
and here's a pure 0-60 with auto that impresses me:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egltrSJYM0

I doubt like heck that I could manually shift any faster than the auto ......... but I'm more than willing to give it a try and I will do so on our test drive of the base. If the slave cylinder should fail during that drive, so be it. Edmonntonians are enjoying some great summer-like weather, so the walk will be nice.

I know there are paddles on the auto's for the sports versions... you should check with the dealer/sit in the car to confirm that's true on base in Canada.

yea the labour to drop a tranny and then do the install sucks... I know first hand lol

just go with what you want. if this is your last glory car then make it count! (I still recommend getting the touring + sport if budget can accommodate)

oh! one more thing I forgot to mention. there are also trunk covers you can get that fit inside that will go over and attach to the rear hatch so it'll keep things from bouncing up n down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ

with you lots can fit back there but a nice sedan would kill it when comparing trunk size, functionality etc.

Also premium is a must in my opinion but I know people that do not use it.

some driving "higher end vehicles"

they say "....but it was just a recommendation"

fair enough... I did learn to drive in a sienna and that was huge. camry too! lol but for trunk space I've fit quiet a bit.

lol I know some people with bimmers that used regular instead of 91. hello knocking! then again they were leasers so MEH! more 91 for us

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Carbon Base Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 119 Drives: 2016 370z Nismo M6 Rep Power: 10	I had special ordered a 2016 nismo in january from japan. In march they told me they stopped production of the 2016 and are making the 2017 now. I got my 2017 built just getting ready to be imported. They are charging me the same amount for the 2016 nismo for the 2017 nismo which is $52,600

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mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9435	I guess it's worth mentioning Canada's trims are base, touring, touring sport, nismo. totally understand your situation though. the saving grace with SRM on the sport model is that it rev match for you and wife when she drives which will be a lot easier to play with.

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Darwins Child Base Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Canada Posts: 165 Drives: '14 Z Tour+Sport 7AT Rep Power: 9	I remember that the slave cylinders on the old manual cars that I drove back in the 60's and 70s were almost always on the outside housing of the transmission/clutch and were easy to bleed or replace. If I remember correctly, it was a very similar placement to the one shown on the following: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-U_QEn4uR8 To me, putting the thing on the inside of the bell housing is crazy, and has been proven to be so, but it must be great for stealership service departments, regardless of who's paying the tab. I've driven both manual and auto 350Zs and AFAIK there are no paddle shifters available on their autos. You must momentarily blip the selector forward or backward while its in the "sport shifting" position. The one thing I noticed on the autos was how fast they shifted going either up or down. They transitioned and snapped into gear really fast -- far faster than our '10 Outlander XLS auto with its paddle shifters, where there is some noticeable, slippery lag while the transmission completes the shift. I've just watched some interesting 370Z auto videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCWkQFJ2lwQ and this one of a young newbie owner being filmed by his Commander in Chief wife or girlfriend (but my money is on the former): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGHIqYvaNi0 and here's a pure 0-60 with auto that impresses me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8egltrSJYM0 I doubt like heck that I could manually shift any faster than the auto ......... but I'm more than willing to give it a try and I will do so on our test drive of the base. If the slave cylinder should fail during that drive, so be it. Edmonntonians are enjoying some great summer-like weather, so the walk will be nice.