Opinions on Sway Bars

Ztoon · 01-27-2010, 12:23 PM

Hotchkis are hollow.
Adjusted wall thickness and increased diameter gives performance while reducing weight. About a third less weight than solid.
I run them on the softest setting and find them great.

FuszNissan · 01-27-2010, 01:25 PM

Hotch-track
Stillen- DD

RCZ · 01-27-2010, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa

Take a Cayman S out with PDK and PASM. It is an amazing stock car. Is it worth twice the price of a 370Z, NO!

I dont know man, sounds like youre gonna come back to us sooner than later.

6spd · 01-27-2010, 06:59 PM

any reviews/opinions from people who ACTUALLY HAVE different sway bars, hehe?! any...?

ChrisSlicks · 01-27-2010, 08:15 PM

I have the Hotchkis and it is currently the stiffest setup, not sure about Cusco. The downside to the Hotchkis is that it is really too stiff for the street and will impact your turn-in grip if you don't add negative camber. On the track the stiffer the better but on the street I think the Stillen is the best compromise.

6spd · 01-27-2010, 08:17 PM

is the stillen a good option for occasional auto-x since it obviously is softer for better DD, but it has the stiffer rear setting also? if you watch the hotchkis vid comparing it to stock, you can see the turn-in goes south with the hotch.

ChrisSlicks · 01-27-2010, 08:22 PM

Yeah, I'd say the Stillen would probably do well for auto-x. When I put the Hotchkis on I had horrible understeer at the auto-x event the following week, this is because of the super stiff front bar. I had to buy camber arms and set front camber to -2.5, it was around -0.8 stock.

SophiaZ · 01-27-2010, 08:35 PM

I have the Stillen. The ride is a little stiffer but the handling around cornering have improved.

6spd · 01-27-2010, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Yeah, I'd say the Stillen would probably do well for auto-x. When I put the Hotchkis on I had horrible understeer at the auto-x event the following week, this is because of the super stiff front bar. I had to buy camber arms and set front camber to -2.5, it was around -0.8 stock.

ok this was the detail i was looking for!

antennahead · 01-27-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Hotch-track
Stillen- DD

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6spd

ok this was the detail i was looking for!

I have the Stillen and they are great for the street. I have 15mm spacers on the rear only, which add a small amount of understeer. I set the Stillen rears up on the softest setting, which is still 37% stiffer than stock, while the front is 29% stiffer than stock. I feel like I dialed out some of the understeer, while retaining a good balance for daily driving.

John

6spd · 01-27-2010, 09:22 PM

and then you would want to switch to the stiffer setting for auto-x i take it.

antennahead · 01-27-2010, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

and then you would want to switch to the stiffer setting for auto-x i take it.

Possibly, stiffer rear will dial out more understeer/dial in more oversteer, many want totally neutral, I like a very small amount of understeer.

ChrisSlicks · 01-28-2010, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by antennahead

Possibly, stiffer rear will dial out more understeer/dial in more oversteer, many want totally neutral, I like a very small amount of understeer.

I prefer neutral with a hint of oversteer. Not too much though or you'll mess up in high speed slaloms and fast transitions.

It's definitely best to auto-x the car at least a couple of times on the stock sway bars so that you have a good feel of what it is going to do. It gets a lot more responsive with the stiffer bars which means quicker weight transfer, but also means that you have to be quicker to keep up with it.

antennahead · 01-28-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I prefer neutral with a hint of oversteer. Not too much though or you'll mess up in high speed slaloms and fast transitions.

It's definitely best to auto-x the car at least a couple of times on the stock sway bars so that you have a good feel of what it is going to do. It gets a lot more responsive with the stiffer bars which means quicker weight transfer, but also means that you have to be quicker to keep up with it.

LOL, we're probably not too far off..... you're just to the oversteer side of neutral, and I'm just to the understeer side of neutral.

XwChriswX · 01-28-2010, 07:02 PM

One of these days someone is going to have to explain to me the difference between Over-/under-steer. I myself don't track, and don't know much about it. But sway bars/suspension is something I would like to upgrade.

View Poll Results: Which Sway Bars?
Hotchkis	35	34.31%
Stillen	24	23.53%
Stock OEM	7	6.86%
Nismo	5	4.90%
Wait for Cusco or another company with adjustable front/rear	31	30.39%
Voters: 102. You may not vote on this poll

01-27-2010, 12:23 PM	#31 (permalink)
Ztoon Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: B.C. Posts: 578 Drives: '09 370a7 Rep Power: 25	Hotchkis are hollow. Adjusted wall thickness and increased diameter gives performance while reducing weight. About a third less weight than solid. I run them on the softest setting and find them great. __________________ Stillen G3\|CBE\|ground kit, F.I. H.F.C., C.F. fangs\|mirrors\|pillars, Hotchkis, SSR Type-F, RE-11, UpRev, BC BR coilovers 15% tint, LED black hdlts, color match handles, Dynamat, tail lt. tint, Mines C.F. frt. lip\|rear spoiler, Amuse rear,skirts, vented fenders, c.f. vented hood, gloss blk. roof

01-27-2010, 01:25 PM	#32 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	Hotch-track Stillen- DD __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

01-27-2010, 06:59 PM	#34 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	any reviews/opinions from people who ACTUALLY HAVE different sway bars, hehe?! any...? __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

01-27-2010, 08:17 PM	#36 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	is the stillen a good option for occasional auto-x since it obviously is softer for better DD, but it has the stiffer rear setting also? if you watch the hotchkis vid comparing it to stock, you can see the turn-in goes south with the hotch. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

01-27-2010, 08:15 PM	#35 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	I have the Hotchkis and it is currently the stiffest setup, not sure about Cusco. The downside to the Hotchkis is that it is really too stiff for the street and will impact your turn-in grip if you don't add negative camber. On the track the stiffer the better but on the street I think the Stillen is the best compromise.

01-27-2010, 08:22 PM	#37 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	Yeah, I'd say the Stillen would probably do well for auto-x. When I put the Hotchkis on I had horrible understeer at the auto-x event the following week, this is because of the super stiff front bar. I had to buy camber arms and set front camber to -2.5, it was around -0.8 stock.

01-27-2010, 08:35 PM	#38 (permalink)
SophiaZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: South Jersey Posts: 1,463 Drives: 2020 50th anniv 7AT Rep Power: 6732	I have the Stillen. The ride is a little stiffer but the handling around cornering have improved.

01-27-2010, 09:22 PM	#41 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	and then you would want to switch to the stiffer setting for auto-x i take it. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

01-28-2010, 07:02 PM	#45 (permalink)
XwChriswX WFLYIDNNE Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In The Fastlane Posts: 50,648 Drives: 02 GDB WRX Rep Power: 452	One of these days someone is going to have to explain to me the difference between Over-/under-steer. I myself don't track, and don't know much about it. But sway bars/suspension is something I would like to upgrade. __________________ Bonnie - Stage 2, Audio build coming this fall! R.I.P. Abby 3/29/10 - 3/30/14

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