ABS with Carbotechs

edconline · 05-07-2014, 08:56 AM

Which ones do you suggest, the .5 or the 1mm? Also is fitment like stock, with tabs to keep it nice and secure on the pad?

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synolimit · 05-07-2014, 09:02 AM

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With the Hard Brakes titanium backing plates they don't squeal on the street near as much.

How does something on the back change the squeal on the front? Also, with such a little plate has anyone actually done independent testing they reduce caliper heat soak?

wstar · 05-07-2014, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by edconline

Which ones do you suggest, the .5 or the 1mm? Also is fitment like stock, with tabs to keep it nice and secure on the pad?

They do have tabs, and personally I'd suggest the thinner one so you don't have issues trying to squish the plate + a new pad into there (or have to try to shave down your pads),

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How does something on the back change the squeal on the front? Also, with such a little plate has anyone actually done independent testing they reduce caliper heat soak?

A lot of the squeal really isn't from the mating surface, even though it sounds like it. They did objectively reduce heat back when I first tried them (sport calipers + CT pads). I use them now on the front of my Stillen kit, too (different shape).

edconline · 05-07-2014, 09:25 AM

Cool thanks! Any idea on the thickness of the stock shims?

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edconline · 05-07-2014, 10:30 AM

0.5mm shims are on the way, thanks for the suggestion DR_

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SPOHN · 05-07-2014, 03:57 PM

I had the XP 10's/ 8's. The 8's on the rear were aggressive at times on the track. I had 6 piston AP BBK on front and Akeobono (if that's the right spelling) on the rear. So not sure if the setup/ bias is off but it would be safer with less aggressive pads.

djtodd · 05-07-2014, 05:55 PM

Off topic but in response to the earlier comment, I also would recommend something else for dd. The bobcats are great, if a little pricey. Much less dust and easier on rotors

edconline · 05-07-2014, 06:03 PM

SPOHN, did you have the akebono 4 pots on the rear? I can see them being a bit overpowered for the rear in that scenario. And are you saying you encountered ice mode, or just that it was a bit much?

Aside from if I could expect ice mode issues, I don't see a compelling reason not to use these on the street TBH.

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synolimit · 05-07-2014, 06:47 PM

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SPOHN, did you have the akebono 4 pots on the rear? I can see them being a bit overpowered for the rear in that scenario. And are you saying you encountered ice mode, or just that it was a bit much?

Aside from if I could expect ice mode issues, I don't see a compelling reason not to use these on the street TBH.

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He said he had them on the rear.

What I want to know is what did he mean by to aggressive. Like do a 10/6 or 8/8 or 8/6?

edconline · 05-07-2014, 06:49 PM

He said akebono rear not if they were the two pot stock rear or if he put the stock fronts on there.

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djtodd · 05-07-2014, 06:54 PM

Pretty sure they were the stock two pot. 10/8 worked well for me on street tires.

wstar · 05-07-2014, 06:55 PM

Yeah 10/8 seems to be a pretty good setup with the stock calipers and street tires.

edconline · 05-07-2014, 06:56 PM

Can someone give me a good reason not to use them on street? Everyone is kinda like 'not a good idea'. I know they cost more. I know they dust more and are louder, I know they will wear quickly. They will eat rotors faster. They need heat to work really well. None of those bother me and I expected all of them.

Aside from all that, is there another reason?

Edit: with all the people telling me not to do it, my original post didn't even get answered lol

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synolimit · 05-07-2014, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by edconline

He said akebono rear not if they were the two pot stock rear or if he put the stock fronts on there.

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O god that'd be impossible. I know he didn't though. That'd be a crazy setup.

synolimit · 05-07-2014, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by edconline

Can someone give me a good reason not to use them on street? Everyone is kinda like 'not a good idea'. I know they cost more. I know they dust more and are louder, I know they will wear quickly. They will eat rotors faster. They need heat to work really well. None of those bother me and I expected all of them.

Aside from all that, is there another reason?

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I googled them a lot one time and always found people say no but no reasons why. Even found some running in winter states.

05-07-2014, 08:56 AM	#16 (permalink)
edconline Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton Posts: 855 Drives: 10' MB Z34 6MT T/S/N Rep Power: 23	Which ones do you suggest, the .5 or the 1mm? Also is fitment like stock, with tabs to keep it nice and secure on the pad? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ View Journal Audio Build

05-07-2014, 09:25 AM	#19 (permalink)
edconline Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton Posts: 855 Drives: 10' MB Z34 6MT T/S/N Rep Power: 23	Cool thanks! Any idea on the thickness of the stock shims? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ View Journal Audio Build

05-07-2014, 10:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
edconline Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton Posts: 855 Drives: 10' MB Z34 6MT T/S/N Rep Power: 23	0.5mm shims are on the way, thanks for the suggestion DR_ Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ View Journal Audio Build

05-07-2014, 03:57 PM	#21 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 46 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 222	I had the XP 10's/ 8's. The 8's on the rear were aggressive at times on the track. I had 6 piston AP BBK on front and Akeobono (if that's the right spelling) on the rear. So not sure if the setup/ bias is off but it would be safer with less aggressive pads. __________________

05-07-2014, 05:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
djtodd Track Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 932 Drives: 2012 Nismo TT Rep Power: 3398	Off topic but in response to the earlier comment, I also would recommend something else for dd. The bobcats are great, if a little pricey. Much less dust and easier on rotors __________________ DJTodd's Build Thread Fast Intentions • Volk • Stoptech • Carbotech • SPL • Southbend • OS Giken • RJM • Sparco • RobiSpec • AIM • Driver Mod

05-07-2014, 06:03 PM	#23 (permalink)
edconline Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton Posts: 855 Drives: 10' MB Z34 6MT T/S/N Rep Power: 23	SPOHN, did you have the akebono 4 pots on the rear? I can see them being a bit overpowered for the rear in that scenario. And are you saying you encountered ice mode, or just that it was a bit much? Aside from if I could expect ice mode issues, I don't see a compelling reason not to use these on the street TBH. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ View Journal Audio Build

05-07-2014, 06:49 PM	#25 (permalink)
edconline Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton Posts: 855 Drives: 10' MB Z34 6MT T/S/N Rep Power: 23	He said akebono rear not if they were the two pot stock rear or if he put the stock fronts on there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ View Journal Audio Build

05-07-2014, 06:54 PM	#26 (permalink)
djtodd Track Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 932 Drives: 2012 Nismo TT Rep Power: 3398	Pretty sure they were the stock two pot. 10/8 worked well for me on street tires. edconline likes this. __________________ DJTodd's Build Thread Fast Intentions • Volk • Stoptech • Carbotech • SPL • Southbend • OS Giken • RJM • Sparco • RobiSpec • AIM • Driver Mod

05-07-2014, 06:55 PM	#27 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Yeah 10/8 seems to be a pretty good setup with the stock calipers and street tires. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

05-07-2014, 06:56 PM	#28 (permalink)
edconline Track Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton Posts: 855 Drives: 10' MB Z34 6MT T/S/N Rep Power: 23	ABS with Carbotechs Can someone give me a good reason not to use them on street? Everyone is kinda like 'not a good idea'. I know they cost more. I know they dust more and are louder, I know they will wear quickly. They will eat rotors faster. They need heat to work really well. None of those bother me and I expected all of them. Aside from all that, is there another reason? Edit: with all the people telling me not to do it, my original post didn't even get answered lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ View Journal Audio Build Last edited by edconline; 05-07-2014 at 07:02 PM.

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