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Originally Posted by JoeD Anyone have pics of the KW setup installed on the Z? Lance's 370Z | Altered Atmosphere Motorsports They list them as KW Variant II in the

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Old 09-02-2009, 02:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anyone have pics of the KW setup installed on the Z?
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They list them as KW Variant II in the write-up but that's a mistake.
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This thread is getting ridiculous.

Listen, you simply can't compare the performance of the stock suspension with a KW suspension. The KW are lighter, they have stiffer springs, better dampening capabilities and are adjustable, height adjustability. Overall as a package, the KW suspension provides much better control and works better as a unit.

Its not better because of the way its installed on the car, its better because it is made to perform, that is its purpose. The stock suspension is made, first, to keep everyone happy and then for performance. Too much is lost in keeping everyone happy.

No matter how badly you try to justify it, the stock suspension in either the sport or the nismo or the whatever version you want of the 370z will NOT be as good for performance driving as a set of good aftermarket coilovers.

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This thread is getting ridiculous.

Listen, you simply can't compare the performance of the stock suspension with a KW suspension. The KW are lighter, they have stiffer springs, better dampening capabilities and are adjustable, height adjustability. Overall as a package, the KW suspension provides much better control and works better as a unit.

Its not better because of the way its installed on the car, its better because it is made to perform, that is its purpose. The stock suspension is made, first, to keep everyone happy and then for performance. Too much is lost in keeping everyone happy.

No matter how badly you try to justify it, the stock suspension in either the sport or the nismo or the whatever version you want of the 370z will NOT be as good for performance driving as a set of good aftermarket coilovers.
i know the kw's perform better, thats not what i was asking. i was just asking if the stock suspension on the z was a similar (being coilovers) design as the kw's. i have now got my awnser.
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This thread is getting ridiculous.

Listen, you simply can't compare the performance of the stock suspension with a KW suspension. The KW are lighter, they have stiffer springs, better dampening capabilities and are adjustable, height adjustability. Overall as a package, the KW suspension provides much better control and works better as a unit.

Its not better because of the way its installed on the car, its better because it is made to perform, that is its purpose. The stock suspension is made, first, to keep everyone happy and then for performance. Too much is lost in keeping everyone happy.

No matter how badly you try to justify it, the stock suspension in either the sport or the nismo or the whatever version you want of the 370z will NOT be as good for performance driving as a set of good aftermarket coilovers.
is the sport package suspension on the 370z actually any stiffer than the model without sport package? it seems many people get this confused, even reviewers say it is, but i dont think it is? is it?
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is the sport package suspension on the 370z actually any stiffer than the model without sport package? it seems many people get this confused, even reviewers say it is, but i dont think it is? is it?
Suspension is the same with or without the sport package.
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Suspension is the same with or without the sport package.
What was Nissan thinking on this one ???

$$$$$ maybe.......

Give me the suspension option at least. Ahhh ! They saved it for the NISMO Z and charged an extra $5,000 for it plus an extra $1,000 for some body molding. The tune cost nothing for Nissan.

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this is the front suspension on a 350Z



A 370Z is the same for all intents and purposes (things are differently shaped but the design concept is the same

this is the rear suspension on the 350Z



Again, the 370Z maintains this type of setup
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this is the front suspension on a 350Z



A 370Z is the same for all intents and purposes (things are differently shaped but the design concept is the same

this is the rear suspension on the 350Z



Again, the 370Z maintains this type of setup
ok, so it looks like the main difference in the front suspension between the 350 and 370z is the 350z is a single wishbone and 370z is double wishbone?? u say they are basically the same, but i hear that the 370z is actually a large improvemnet in the front suspension compared to the 350. i have read many reviews that state this.
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ok, so it looks like the main difference in the front suspension between the 350 and 370z is the 350z is a single wishbone and 370z is double wishbone?? u say they are basically the same, but i hear that the 370z is actually a large improvemnet in the front suspension compared to the 350. i have read many reviews that state this.
Holy moly. Shouldn't you be more concerned with butterfly screws, your catalytic converters breaking apart and going back into the engine, your trunk leaking, your headgasket blowing, your transmission grinding, your paint peeling and your knock sensor pulling power than complex suspension questions about two cars you don't even own?

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Holy moly. Shouldn't you be more concerned with butterfly screws, your catalytic converters breaking apart and going back into the engine, your trunk leaking, your headgasket blowing, your transmission grinding, your paint peeling and your knock sensor pulling power than complex suspension questions about two cars you don't even own?

already loctited my butterfles, already got a catless header, changed out my tranny fluid with bg syncroshift II and no grinding what so ever, my paint is perfect, take very good care of that, and my HG is already well past the mileage they typically blow at. lol, how do u know all about my car?
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350z's have a double wishbone front suspension as well, as shown in the above diagrams. Upper and lower control arms (lower being split into 2 pieces so it has multiple pivot points). The overall layout vs the 370z is very similar. Changes were made to packaging since the wheel base is different, and thus the parts need to fit into different spaces, but the general layout is very much the same
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350z's have a double wishbone front suspension as well, as shown in the above diagrams. Upper and lower control arms (lower being split into 2 pieces so it has multiple pivot points). The overall layout vs the 370z is very similar. Changes were made to packaging since the wheel base is different, and thus the parts need to fit into different spaces, but the general layout is very much the same
ummm, according to every single reviewer, including nissans webside, the 350z does not have a wishbone suspension. only multi link, which is why in every review they made a big deal on how much of a improvement the 370z's suspension was. heres a quote comming from mike kojima himself, "The front suspension is greatly improved over the 350Z. It is a simple unequal length "A" arm designed with forged aluminum links, looking like a close relative of the parts on the R35 Skyline GT-R. In fact it would not surprise us at all if all of the FM2 chassis share many of the same parts. The all important suspension geometry looks to be properly done with decent lengths of the upper and lower links for reduced scrub and bump steer with a relatively aggressive negative gain camber curve to help keep the tire tread flat on the road under roll."

heres another quote from a reviewer that states the 350z does not have a double wishbone, "That is made possible by the new double-wishbone front suspension that replaces the lower multi-link setup in the 350Z and uses lighter forged aluminum arms, a lightweight rigid aluminum-alloy cradle, a lighter, link stabilizer bar with a 35% improved lever ratio, and new high-response shock absorbers. The new 3-piece strut tower brace stiffens and quickens the front’s response."
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ummm, according to every single reviewer, including nissans webside, the 350z does not have a wishbone suspension. only multi link, which is why in every review they made a big deal on how much of a improvement the 370z's suspension was. heres a quote comming from mike kojima himself, "The front suspension is greatly improved over the 350Z. It is a simple unequal length "A" arm designed with forged aluminum links, looking like a close relative of the parts on the R35 Skyline GT-R. In fact it would not surprise us at all if all of the FM2 chassis share many of the same parts. The all important suspension geometry looks to be properly done with decent lengths of the upper and lower links for reduced scrub and bump steer with a relatively aggressive negative gain camber curve to help keep the tire tread flat on the road under roll."

heres another quote from a reviewer that states the 350z does not have a double wishbone, "That is made possible by the new double-wishbone front suspension that replaces the lower multi-link setup in the 350Z and uses lighter forged aluminum arms, a lightweight rigid aluminum-alloy cradle, a lighter, link stabilizer bar with a 35% improved lever ratio, and new high-response shock absorbers. The new 3-piece strut tower brace stiffens and quickens the front’s response."
A 350Z has upper wishbones, and lower wishbones..the lower being split into 2 separate arms, the compression arm and the transverse link. Hence multi link AND double wishbone are both accurate descriptions of what the car has. A 370Z is similar, but does not have the split lower link, instead it is just 1 piece.

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A 350Z has upper wishbones, and lower wishbones..the lower being split into 2 separate arms, the compression arm and the transverse link. Hence multi link AND double wishbone are both accurate descriptions of what the car has. A 370Z is similar, but does not have the split lower link, instead it is just 1 piece.

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2003 Nissan 350Z Review Summary - Motor Trend

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then i guess all those reviewers didnt know what they were talking about. why then does the 370z handle noticably better than the 350z, are the small changes done to the 370z's suspension all for the benefit?
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