Nissan 370Z Forum  

Just replaced my brake pads, now it sucks.

Originally Posted by Bking The service guy at Nissan told me I needed to replace the front brake pads. After the change I almost got into an accident because it

370Z Forums HOME My Picture Album Nissan 370Z Pictures Premium Membership Become a Forum Sponsor
Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Brakes & Suspension
Just replaced my brake pads, now it sucks. Just replaced my brake pads, now it sucks.
Register All Albums FAQDonate Members List Calendar Today's Posts


Like Tree32Likes

Reply
Page 2 of 4 1 2 34
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-25-2013, 12:30 PM   #16 (permalink)
Premium Member
 
Voice59's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Va Beach, Virginia
Posts: 1,418
Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z
Rep Power: 16
Voice59 is a glorious beacon of lightVoice59 is a glorious beacon of lightVoice59 is a glorious beacon of lightVoice59 is a glorious beacon of lightVoice59 is a glorious beacon of light
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bking View Post
The service guy at Nissan told me I needed to replace the front brake pads. After the change I almost got into an accident because it took a long time for the brakes to stop my car. I thought maybe it's new and needs time to "break-in". After a full day of driving the response from the brakes seemed to have improved but it was not like before. Before the change I needed only to step on the brakes relatively lightly to stop my car, but now I need to step fairly hard to do so.

I called my service guy and he told me these "brembo" brakes takes some time to break-in and told me to go on a highway and hard brake a few times.

I feel like the brakes were not the problem but just the "sensitivity" of the brake pedal with the brakes themselves. Can the brakes be adjusted/calibrated?

Thanks in advance.
Same thing happened to me. Thing is I was there literally from start to finish and watched every part of the procedure. Including the bleeding, and they did it correctly on every wheel. Still I feel like the pedal is a whole lot softer.
Voice59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 12:36 PM   #17 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: N/A
Posts: 76,801
Drives: N/A
Rep Power: 141521
kenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond repute
Default
pad compound changed?
kenchan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 01:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
JARblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 43
Posts: 36,450
Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3
Rep Power: 2684440
JARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ View Post
But whatever. Apparently he decided to suck at his job instead.
Yes. Yes he did.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenchan View Post
yep. i didnt have to do any special bedding in for my endless pads either.

not all pads require bedding like we do on high performance pads, although i still do it anyway to make myself feel better.
I think the EBC red stuff don't require bedding either. I wasn't able to bed my Hawk Performance Ceramics as precisely as I would have liked due to unexpected traffic at 9 pm, but they are fine and perform much better than the stock pads ever did.

My experience with bedding brakes
( Click to show/hide )
My understanding of the idea of bedding brakes is to get them good and hot to transfer an even layer of pad material to the rotor for proper operation. If you do this too quickly, the layer is likely to be uneven as the pad can quickly and suddenly increase the deposits when certain temperatures are reached (varying with different pads and other conditions). Therefore, you want to do lighter bedding at the beginning to gradually increase the level of deposit. And of course, you never want to engage ABS.

The experience that has worked best for me is starting with 2-3 runs braking from 50mph down to 20mph. Mash down on the brake pedal good, but you don't need to be close to kicking in ABS - just trying to heat them up gradually here. Next are the 60-10 runs, and these are the ones you want to be all in on the braking. Basically you want to brake as hard as possible without engaging ABS - error on the side of braking lighter as ABS will put marks on your rotors or worse, leave uneven spots of pad deposit if hot enough. I usually do 60-20, 60-15, 60-10, 60-5. The quicker you can do these, the hotter your rotors will get. If you can get the rotors good and hot, one good 80-10 will finish the job. I generally do 2-3 when I can't do the previous runs fast enough.
kenchan likes this.
__________________

2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic | ARC | CJM | Ecutek | FI | Fujimura | R2C | SPL | Stillen | TWM | Z1 | ZSpeed |
JARblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 03:17 PM   #19 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Mililani, HI
Posts: 1,566
Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS
Rep Power: 16
chrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to behold
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by JARblue View Post
Yes. Yes he did.



I think the EBC red stuff don't require bedding either. I wasn't able to bed my Hawk Performance Ceramics as precisely as I would have liked due to unexpected traffic at 9 pm, but they are fine and perform much better than the stock pads ever did.

My experience with bedding brakes
( Click to show/hide )
My understanding of the idea of bedding brakes is to get them good and hot to transfer an even layer of pad material to the rotor for proper operation. If you do this too quickly, the layer is likely to be uneven as the pad can quickly and suddenly increase the deposits when certain temperatures are reached (varying with different pads and other conditions). Therefore, you want to do lighter bedding at the beginning to gradually increase the level of deposit. And of course, you never want to engage ABS.

The experience that has worked best for me is starting with 2-3 runs braking from 50mph down to 20mph. Mash down on the brake pedal good, but you don't need to be close to kicking in ABS - just trying to heat them up gradually here. Next are the 60-10 runs, and these are the ones you want to be all in on the braking. Basically you want to brake as hard as possible without engaging ABS - error on the side of braking lighter as ABS will put marks on your rotors or worse, leave uneven spots of pad deposit if hot enough. I usually do 60-20, 60-15, 60-10, 60-5. The quicker you can do these, the hotter your rotors will get. If you can get the rotors good and hot, one good 80-10 will finish the job. I generally do 2-3 when I can't do the previous runs fast enough.

Not enough road in Hawaii to properly embed the brakes lol.
kenchan, JARblue and DEpointfive0 like this.
__________________

R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ
One day I'll have another....
chrischhorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 03:25 PM   #20 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
JARblue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Austin, TX
Age: 43
Posts: 36,450
Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3
Rep Power: 2684440
JARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond reputeJARblue has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrischhorn View Post
Not enough road in Hawaii to properly embed the brakes lol.
yeah... Texas has just little bit more real estate
__________________

2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic | ARC | CJM | Ecutek | FI | Fujimura | R2C | SPL | Stillen | TWM | Z1 | ZSpeed |
JARblue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 03:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Mililani, HI
Posts: 1,566
Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS
Rep Power: 16
chrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to behold
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by JARblue View Post
yeah... Texas has just little bit more real estate
I miss Texas......Almost been a year since I left.
JARblue likes this.
__________________

R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ
One day I'll have another....
chrischhorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 03:57 PM   #22 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: N/A
Posts: 76,801
Drives: N/A
Rep Power: 141521
kenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond reputekenchan has a reputation beyond repute
Default
i have enough dumbarse drivers around my area just dodging them in regular traffic beds brakes nicely each time.
kenchan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 08:19 PM   #23 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
/Angelo350Z/'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,230
Drives: Z34 | MK7 | F82
Rep Power: 3660
/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute/Angelo350Z/ has a reputation beyond repute
Default
So is your car fixed OP? Did you kill him yet?
__________________

2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT
/Angelo350Z/ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 09:12 PM   #24 (permalink)
The370Z.com Sponsor
 
Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Loganville, GA
Posts: 5,944
Drives: 370z
Rep Power: 2186
Mike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond reputeMike has a reputation beyond repute
Default
you just need to bed them properly. 10 stops, 50-0 in quick succession, let them cool and repeat. Maybe endless pads are prebedded, who knows, but most pads aren't. prebedded are available from carbotech, but its easy enough to bed them on my own.

even in Hawaii, you can get up to 50 and stop several times.
__________________
NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z
Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968
Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 10:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Mililani, HI
Posts: 1,566
Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS
Rep Power: 16
chrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to behold
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike View Post
you just need to bed them properly. 10 stops, 50-0 in quick succession, let them cool and repeat. Maybe endless pads are prebedded, who knows, but most pads aren't. prebedded are available from carbotech, but its easy enough to bed them on my own.

even in Hawaii, you can get up to 50 and stop several times.
Not without crossing a cop...... I swear there is more cops on this tiny *** island then in the state of Texas
__________________

R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ
One day I'll have another....
chrischhorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2013, 11:04 PM   #26 (permalink)
Premium Member Bitches
 
DEpointfive0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: SoCal
Posts: 14,824
Drives: a lot
Rep Power: 17151
DEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond reputeDEpointfive0 has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrischhorn View Post
Not without crossing a cop...... I swear there is more cops on this tiny *** island then in the state of Texas
AND they roam in the officers' personal cars... So you'll see them in 50 different cars...
Cbtech likes this.
__________________
Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from?
( Click to show/hide )
DEpointfive0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2013, 12:56 AM   #27 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Mililani, HI
Posts: 1,566
Drives: 2014 Juke Nismo RS
Rep Power: 16
chrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to beholdchrischhorn is a splendid one to behold
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 View Post
AND they roam in the officers' personal cars... So you'll see them in 50 different cars...
Yup........my ticket came from a cop in a Toyota 4Runner. The only mark they have on them is the Blue light o top. Theres 2 slammed G35 sedan cop cars, 1 on 370z Sport wheels and another one some chrome big lipped wheels and those are their cop cars....
__________________

R.I.P. 8/01/13 1SlowZ
One day I'll have another....
chrischhorn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2013, 01:20 PM   #28 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Bking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 298
Drives: 40th Z
Rep Power: 14
Bking is on a distinguished road
Default
UPDATE: After I gave them a horrible survey from Nissan Canada, the service manager contacted me and basically apologized for not telling me that new brakes might take a while to break in, and nearly got me into an accident. And it is normal for new brakes to feel "spongy" in the beginning.

Anyhow, I brought my car in this morning and in 30 mins they told me nothing is wrong. The service manager test drove the car and told me the ABS came on so the brakes are mounted correctly. He told me it can take up to 400-500 km (around 275 miles for you southern folks) in order for the brakes to fully break in. I told him about air in the brake lines but he said they never touched the brake lines when changing the brake pad so that was not possible. Also he mentioned that since my car is "5 speed" I will tend to slow my car by downshifting rather than using my brakes. I told him I use SRM and/or shift to neutral all the time and it hardly slows my car down so that's irrelevant. Finally he told me to give it a week or two to see if there are improvements, if not just bring it back in.

Thoughts anyone?
Last edited by Bking; 07-26-2013 at 03:02 PM. Reason: Added more details, typo
Bking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2013, 01:22 PM   #29 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
Bking's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 298
Drives: 40th Z
Rep Power: 14
Bking is on a distinguished road
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/ View Post
So is your car fixed OP? Did you kill him yet?
No I haven't killed him yet. I will see in a week or two.
Bking is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-26-2013, 02:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
6MT
A True Z Fanatic
 
6MT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: ITU Zone 2
Posts: 22,459
Drives: Reliant Robin
Rep Power: 1790
6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute6MT has a reputation beyond repute
Default
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bking View Post
The service guy at Nissan told me I needed to replace the front brake pads. After the change I almost got into an accident because it took a long time for the brakes to stop my car. I thought maybe it's new and needs time to "break-in". After a full day of driving the response from the brakes seemed to have improved but it was not like before. Before the change I needed only to step on the brakes relatively lightly to stop my car, but now I need to step fairly hard to do so.

I called my service guy and he told me these "brembo" brakes takes some time to break-in and told me to go on a highway and hard brake a few times.

I feel like the brakes were not the problem but just the "sensitivity" of the brake pedal with the brakes themselves. Can the brakes be adjusted/calibrated?

Thanks in advance.
Did they resurface the rotors? Or put new rotors on? The pads are really only half a brake job.... there's 2 surfaces involved.
DEpointfive0 likes this.
__________________
Andrew

2009 370Z Sport/Touring 6MT sold
2013 Honda Civic Si coupe D/D
6MT is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 2 of 4 1 2 34

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hawk brake pads and Project Mu brake pads! All @ IIR!******************************** ImportImage Suspension/Brakes 192 07-16-2014 03:54 PM
Brake pads Csprad12 Brakes & Suspension 6 05-24-2013 06:58 AM
Parking Brake Sucks? spearfish25 Nissan 370Z General Discussions 78 12-09-2011 01:42 AM
new brake pads mcm9138 Brakes & Suspension 2 11-30-2010 10:57 AM
Which Brake Pads? prodigyz Brakes & Suspension 11 05-07-2009 11:41 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:26 PM.

Contact Us - Home Page - Archive - Top

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2