SPL suspension

mag_black · 07-23-2013, 01:44 PM

So I accidentally ordered the wrong parts from Fredbeans -- no fault of theirs, just my own stupidity. I got SPL toe links and I REALLY wanted to get SPL rear camber links. I've placed an order for the correct parts.

I would like to keep both parts if I can use them, but from my understanding the toe links replace the mid link and can only be installed on coilover systems? Suspension guru's please chime in.

fuct · 07-23-2013, 02:18 PM

if you are using a true coil over spring coilover then yes you can use their toe links. if not then you need these to adjust toe.....

mag_black · 07-23-2013, 02:34 PM

Thanks, looks like I'll be shipping the toe links back then. I don't plan on doing coilovers this year.

synolimit · 07-23-2013, 04:47 PM

How bad does the toe get when lowered? I thought camber was mostly effected.

sig11 · 07-23-2013, 06:37 PM

My toe is pretty much normal and I'm way way too low!

synolimit · 07-23-2013, 07:37 PM

OP you buying the eccentric lockout kit too? I just found the bolts the kit uses for like $2 each and the little squares are about 1.34-1.33" which you can cut and drill once you buy a piece of t6061 about 1/4" thick. Who the f would pay $72 for 4 bolts?

zguynate · 07-24-2013, 01:36 AM

You can keep the toe in check without any aftermarket toe adjustment for the most part. You will just have to play with the camber settings to try to get the toe in spec. That will in turn make you run some decent negative camber though (around -2ish depending how low you go).

The SPL toe links dont have a perch for the factory placement of the springs. The SPL midlinks that Fuct posted can be used with OEM style coilovers. I dont think they are compatible with non-coilover styled springs though. I could be wrong, wouldnt be the first time. It doesnt help that the SPL midlinks are $720 lol.

synolimit · 07-24-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

You can keep the toe in check without any aftermarket toe adjustment for the most part. You will just have to play with the camber settings to try to get the toe in spec. That will in turn make you run some decent negative camber though (around -2ish depending how low you go).

The SPL toe links dont have a perch for the factory placement of the springs. The SPL midlinks that Fuct posted can be used with OEM style coilovers. I dont think they are compatible with non-coilover styled springs though. I could be wrong, wouldnt be the first time. It doesnt help that the SPL midlinks are $720 lol.

Yeah that's crazy! Hopefully once lowered all that's needed is the rear arms for camber. -2 front, -1 rear for the street should be fine with toe hopefully being close to zero. For a track I'd like to see maybe -3 front, -2 rear.

fuct · 07-24-2013, 09:17 AM

im dropped 1-1/2" maybe and my camber up front after an alignment is -1.7. i cant adjust it anyways so toe is whats most important to me.

mag_black · 07-24-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

OP you buying the eccentric lockout kit too? I just found the bolts the kit uses for like $2 each and the little squares are about 1.34-1.33" which you can cut and drill once you buy a piece of t6061 about 1/4" thick. Who the f would pay $72 for 4 bolts?

I bought the normal SPL toe bolts w/o lockout plate. Can you send me more info on the bolts and plates?

synolimit · 07-25-2013, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mag_black

I bought the normal SPL toe bolts w/o lockout plate. Can you send me more info on the bolts and plates?

Can you measure the plates and bolt length?

The camber bolt is 3.60" long overall so I'd guess 85mm for the threads and 0.46" thick. the rear arm is 3.98" long overall so I'd guess 95mm for the threads and 0.46" thick. That's a M12 bolt! Best length I could find is a 90mm and 100mm and thread you can get whatever you want since you'll buy a nut to fit, 1.50 or 1.75. The stock nuts might fit one of the threads but I'm not taking it off to find out since the alignment can move. The 5mm longer length is ok too since the plates are thick and you won't bottom out the threads since its a small margin.

You need a M12 in either thread that's a 10.9 hardness. That's basically a grade 8 but metric hardness. You cant use a grade 8 standard bolt because they come in different thicknesses. 0.43" is the only one to fit and it'd be to small.

These bolts are at advanced auto normally in stock. Just ask for m12 1.75 x90 and 100 in 10.9. Part numbers are 99127090 and 99127100 . I'm not sure if these have the large built in head washer so you might need to buy some washers. These bolts are $1.29 each!! Fastenal has the built in washer bolts for $5.55 each, part number 11115702 and 11115650.

As for the plates...the width between the subframe notches are about 1.33-1.34". Just buy a plate of T6061 aluminium and cut out 8 1.33-1.34" squares. I'd go with 1/4" thick plate so the bolts have a lot to rest on. Here's a plate 8x8" for $9.18.

Order Aluminum 6061 Plate in Small Quantities at OnlineMetals.com

Than all you need is to mark the centers then, use a 15/32 drill bit and boom, done. You'll maybe spend $25-40.

PS, SPL doesn't use washer bolts so just buy from AAP and use a washer. Lol I like how SPL gives you a washer nut but not a washer bolt.

mag_black · 07-28-2013, 05:25 PM

^^^ I was sent SPC toe bolts instead of SPL. Do we need to enlarge the hole w/ SPL like we do w/ SPC toe bolts?

synolimit · 07-28-2013, 06:21 PM

Enlarge which hole? The M12 is 0.46" wide and the stock bolts are 0.46" wide.

mag_black · 07-28-2013, 07:35 PM

NVM, the instructions I found online said to elongate the toe bolt hole and I assumed they were referring to bolt diameter, but after searching around, I understand what I need to do now.

Thanks for the info

synolimit · 07-28-2013, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mag_black

NVM, the instructions I found online said to elongate the toe bolt hole and I assumed they were referring to bolt diameter, but after searching around, I understand what I need to do now.

Thanks for the info

So do you have a kit or just a bolt that has an offset for adjustment?

07-23-2013, 01:44 PM	#1 (permalink)
mag_black A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,400 Drives: 09 370Z MT6 Rep Power: 666	SPL suspension So I accidentally ordered the wrong parts from Fredbeans -- no fault of theirs, just my own stupidity. I got SPL toe links and I REALLY wanted to get SPL rear camber links. I've placed an order for the correct parts. I would like to keep both parts if I can use them, but from my understanding the toe links replace the mid link and can only be installed on coilover systems? Suspension guru's please chime in. __________________ fujimura ≠ abbeyRoadCompany ≠ fastIntentions ≠ motordyne ≠ avantGarde ≠ ecutek ≠ nismo ≠ stillen ≠ stoptech ≠ gtm ≠ spl ≠ carbonfiberelement ≠ stance™ Last edited by mag_black; 07-30-2013 at 02:54 PM.

07-23-2013, 02:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 24	if you are using a true coil over spring coilover then yes you can use their toe links. if not then you need these to adjust toe..... Nissanboy and guru like this. Last edited by fuct; 07-23-2013 at 02:20 PM.

07-23-2013, 02:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
mag_black A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,400 Drives: 09 370Z MT6 Rep Power: 666	Thanks, looks like I'll be shipping the toe links back then. I don't plan on doing coilovers this year. __________________ fujimura ≠ abbeyRoadCompany ≠ fastIntentions ≠ motordyne ≠ avantGarde ≠ ecutek ≠ nismo ≠ stillen ≠ stoptech ≠ gtm ≠ spl ≠ carbonfiberelement ≠ stance™

07-23-2013, 04:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	How bad does the toe get when lowered? I thought camber was mostly effected. __________________ 13 370z-

07-23-2013, 07:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	OP you buying the eccentric lockout kit too? I just found the bolts the kit uses for like $2 each and the little squares are about 1.34-1.33" which you can cut and drill once you buy a piece of t6061 about 1/4" thick. Who the f would pay $72 for 4 bolts? __________________ 13 370z-

07-23-2013, 06:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
sig11 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,294 Drives: 09 370Z Red Sport-MT Rep Power: 18	My toe is pretty much normal and I'm way way too low!

07-24-2013, 01:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 73	You can keep the toe in check without any aftermarket toe adjustment for the most part. You will just have to play with the camber settings to try to get the toe in spec. That will in turn make you run some decent negative camber though (around -2ish depending how low you go). The SPL toe links dont have a perch for the factory placement of the springs. The SPL midlinks that Fuct posted can be used with OEM style coilovers. I dont think they are compatible with non-coilover styled springs though. I could be wrong, wouldnt be the first time. It doesnt help that the SPL midlinks are $720 lol. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package

07-24-2013, 09:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 24	im dropped 1-1/2" maybe and my camber up front after an alignment is -1.7. i cant adjust it anyways so toe is whats most important to me.

07-28-2013, 05:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
mag_black A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,400 Drives: 09 370Z MT6 Rep Power: 666	^^^ I was sent SPC toe bolts instead of SPL. Do we need to enlarge the hole w/ SPL like we do w/ SPC toe bolts? __________________ fujimura ≠ abbeyRoadCompany ≠ fastIntentions ≠ motordyne ≠ avantGarde ≠ ecutek ≠ nismo ≠ stillen ≠ stoptech ≠ gtm ≠ spl ≠ carbonfiberelement ≠ stance™

07-28-2013, 06:21 PM	#13 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3389	Enlarge which hole? The M12 is 0.46" wide and the stock bolts are 0.46" wide. __________________ 13 370z-

07-28-2013, 07:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
mag_black A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,400 Drives: 09 370Z MT6 Rep Power: 666	NVM, the instructions I found online said to elongate the toe bolt hole and I assumed they were referring to bolt diameter, but after searching around, I understand what I need to do now. Thanks for the info __________________ fujimura ≠ abbeyRoadCompany ≠ fastIntentions ≠ motordyne ≠ avantGarde ≠ ecutek ≠ nismo ≠ stillen ≠ stoptech ≠ gtm ≠ spl ≠ carbonfiberelement ≠ stance™

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