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sawill629 06-09-2013 01:44 AM

Brake pressure drop while down shift
 
I have my used 09 370Z sport 6MT for 6 mths 35k. Does any one have this symptom or any advise ? Thanks in advance.

Change all fluid before the track day
fornt Hawk DTC 70 rear DTC 60
power slot (slot) rotor F/R ( no brake cooling duct )
SS brake line
OEM suspension
CB exhaust / test pipe
front camber arm

When I am at the local track day ( mission raceway). squeeze the braking under high pressure (like 70%) downshit while release the clutch. I can feel the brake pedal pressure drop down a bit. while the pedal drop the car wasnt slowing down as it should be ( could be scary ). No matter under S-mode or not still the same. try to breed the brake and do another test. still the same. normal daily driving or light pressure under track condition (50%) brake feel like normal. I guess thats not ice mode since the pedal being soft instead of being hard. I dont feel ABS kicking the pedal. any advise ???

another question is while I am testing the brake for the 2nd time I do 8 laps ( 2 laps warm up 6 laps more aggressive in total 16mins ) after that I am doing a cool down lap. I experience my first brake fluid boiled which i am using Motel RBF600 already.( my lucky day). no brake. sponge on pedal. I know different track and brake skill will total affect the temp of brake fluid which I have been doing this race track for 10 yr. with my previous STI I have no problem at all for a full 30 min. Do you think brake cooling duct will help ?

Please forgive if I am making story long.

sawill629 06-12-2013 03:03 AM

does anyone have any crude ??? any guess ?

Alstann 06-12-2013 08:23 AM

Maybe when the car revs up during downshifting, the brake vacuum assist is stronger, causing the pedal to drop slightly? My guess.

Chuck33079 06-12-2013 08:38 AM

I'd check the brake booster and the vacuum hoses. As far as your other question, brake cooling will help. Titanium pad shims should help as well.

DEpointfive0 06-12-2013 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2359200)
I'd check the brake booster and the vacuum hoses. As far as your other question, brake cooling will help. Titanium pad shims should help as well.

Can we go 1mm shims? (So 2mm total per brake caliper)

Chuck33079 06-12-2013 01:10 PM

I'm not sure. I've ordered a set of the thinner ones, but they're not getting installed until it's time for new pads.If they didn't fit, shaving the pads wouldnt be too hard.

Sh0velMan 06-12-2013 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alstann (Post 2359168)
Maybe when the car revs up during downshifting, the brake vacuum assist is stronger, causing the pedal to drop slightly? My guess.

This.

edit: nevermind, re-read the OP. You're boiling your fluid. Titanium shims, ducting, etc.

Rusty 06-12-2013 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2359708)
Can we go 1mm shims? (So 2mm total per brake caliper)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2359711)
I'm not sure. I've ordered a set of the thinner ones, but they're not getting installed until it's time for new pads.If they didn't fit, shaving the pads wouldnt be too hard.

I installed the .5mm shims. ;)

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sawill629 06-14-2013 01:09 AM

thanks for all the input. will check brake booster and vacuum host.
titanium shim will be a good idea. cooling dust will be on as well.
I have order the brake master cylinder already. Will put on soon. Hope that will solve the problems.

Alstann 06-15-2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2359920)
This.

edit: nevermind, re-read the OP. You're boiling your fluid. Titanium shims, ducting, etc.

I think the first time, since he didn't boil the fluid the first outing, my theory may still hold true. :tup:

The second time though, totally agree with you Shovel. ^^


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