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Old 11-07-2012, 08:12 PM   #46 (permalink)
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For that kind of coin. I don't need a brake pedal, because they better be hard wired into my brain.
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Old 11-07-2012, 09:53 PM   #47 (permalink)
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For that kind of coin. I don't need a brake pedal, because they better be hard wired into my brain.
That is embarrassing. Especially for a street Alcon kit. Even worse is when someone spends money like that on a Stoptech Kit. Trust me I have customers who do. I sold a front and rear kit along with a hand brake to an Audi customer yesterday...I offered better kits for the same price and he didnt bite!

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I can't imagine that AP Racing, especially from Forumula Big Brake Kit range, can be in half good even, when we talk about stopping power, and reliability.

Please note, Alcon says that Superkit is dedicated for street use
Then using that street kit really doesnt make much sense on those 20 track events a year does it.....Thanks for your comments but we arent talking about Alcon, Brembo, Or Stoptech at this time. The thread was started by me and it is strictly about AP Racing at this time. I would like to keep it that way thanks. More so the thread is gauged towards hardcore racers and guys who track their cars enough where street calipers and street rotors no longer do the job. I have given my reasons why Alcon is not superior or even on the same level as AP Racing in previous posts.

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Not quite sure what you are trying to say here? That AP is crap? Considering that they are the top brake supplier for every major form of top motorsport others would apparently disagree.

You can get AP brakes anywhere from $5000 (street) to $50000 (Nascar), so as with anything you buy the level of performance you need.

I have had no major issues running the AP street calipers on track (about 15 days a year), my only complaint was related to dust seals which has been mostly addressed with a $100 heat shield. This is no fault of AP, they have plenty of comp calipers in a similar price range, it was Stillen that put together the package and they are primarily street focused.
Correct. AP Racing is generally more expensive than other manufactures like Stoptech, Rotora etc but if we are comparing quality vs price. You can get a very high quality part or brake set up geared towards street or track duty for the same price that you can buy a Brembo kit for (At Retail Dollar)

As far as the dust boots are concerned, Stillen/Brake Pros gears all their kits towards street driving. There are many other better Rotors and Calipers to choose from while still maintaining similar pricing.
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Old 11-08-2012, 12:04 AM   #48 (permalink)
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If you read closely....

"Front caliper is a 6 piston monobloc machined from a single piece forging. Rear caliper is a 4 piston monobloc which combined offers a more positive, responsive pedal as a result of improved caliper and system stiffness."

Its a kit with forged monoblock front and rear calipers, that's why its so expensive. They do make monoblock calipers that are cast and machined as I had on my B6 S4 Audi. Any kit with real monoblock forged calipers is going to cost a lot, be it AP. Brembo, or Stpotech. But as OP said, lets keep this what he offers and Its AP products. If I decide to go Alcon I'll find a vendor someplace else.
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The primary AP Rushing kit from Stillen is a nice beginning, but the top side caliper they provide is a street/track style with dirt footwear that quickly get crispified after the first monitor day. There's only a few people operating a complete monitor car though so I'm not sure how successful a complete monitor installation would be with regards to developing new bracketry etc.
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The primary AP Rushing kit from Stillen is a nice beginning, but the top side caliper they provide is a street/track style with dirt footwear that quickly get crispified after the first monitor day. There's only a few people operating a complete monitor car though so I'm not sure how successful a complete monitor installation would be with regards to developing new bracketry etc.
Try a set of these, it will help.
DH586 Titanium Brake Shims for AP Racing CP7040 Caliper [TS-T-DH0586] : Hard Brakes - Titanium Brake Backing Plates, Brake Shims, Brake Heat Shields

Also, English lesson for the day. Although Track and Monitor are synonyms under one definition, they are not in this particular usage. I suspect that you used an auto-translator and those easily get tripped up by words like 'boot' and 'track'. I found the translation from 'dust boot' to 'dirty footwear' particularly funny
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For you guys you have preferred slotted are we talking straight grooves or curved grooves.
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For you guys you have preferred slotted are we talking straight grooves or curved grooves.
For me, it doesn't matter.
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For you guys you have preferred slotted are we talking straight grooves or curved grooves.
I prefer straight.
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For you guys you have preferred slotted are we talking straight grooves or curved grooves.
I like J Hooked rotors
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Hooked or cresent shaped for me.
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I suppose the last question I need to know before putting all this stuff together, becoming a paid advertiser and giving these kits to you guys is this...When designed the rotors do you want full float or partial float like Brembo, Stoptech etc. Full float WILL rattle at low speeds like driving through a neighborhood or even on the street when the rotors are not up to temp I can take a video today to show you how much they rattle and what kinds of clicking noises you would hear.

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