AP Racing BBK

Race_Tech · 09-24-2012, 05:40 PM

Currently looking to see if their is a market for a Competition BBK for the 370z. Couple options I could think of:
1) 2 piece rotors to compliment the OEM Brembo Option
2) A full BBK with floating rotors & upgraded calipers

Is this something anyone could find usefull in the 370z community and are their any special requests for such products or things you would like taken into consideration if the project becomes a go.

ChrisSlicks · 09-24-2012, 06:06 PM

I think both options should be considered. The basic AP Racing kit from Stillen is a good start, but the front caliper they supply is a street/track design with dust boots that promptly get crispified after the first track day.

There's only a handful of people running a full track car though so I'm not sure how profitable a full track setup would be in terms of designing new bracketry etc.

A straight up 2-piece rotor replacement for the Akebono's (there's no Brembo's) would likely sell more units.

DCNISMO · 09-24-2012, 06:14 PM

How about an Alcon kit? I had that on my B6 S4 and it was great.
It had the 6 piston caliper up front that was cast 1 piece and the rear alcon
rotor with XP8 pads all around.

Race_Tech · 09-24-2012, 06:19 PM

The picture above is a similar unit as supplied by Stillen. Its a street caliper but uses internal seals and comes fitted with anti knockback springs. Its also a stiffer caliper. I did not however check to see if their was a Stillen/Brake Pros option available for purchase.

Race_Tech · 09-24-2012, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCNISMO

How about an Alcon kit? I had that on my B6 S4 and it was great.
It had the 6 piston caliper up front that was cast 1 piece and the rear alcon
rotor with XP8 pads all around.

When factoring in the cost of both AP Racing parts and Alcon I would much rather sell AP Racing parts due to the quality of the components and better design of them. It is much easier for me to properly design a kit with AP racing parts taking into consideration many different variables to offer kits that have the correct bias front to rear.

ChrisSlicks · 09-24-2012, 08:10 PM

I'm with you there, the depth of the AP Racing product line is simply astounding, front street cars to F1 and everything in between. I'm still loving my Stillen AP Racing setup, the only complaint is the dust boots on the front calipers, we'll see if the titanium shims help a bit. At some point I'll go to a full floating setup but not worth it just yet.

cdoxp800 · 09-24-2012, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Race_Tech

The picture above is a similar unit as supplied by Stillen. Its a street caliper but uses internal seals and comes fitted with anti knockback springs. Its also a stiffer caliper. I did not however check to see if their was a Stillen/Brake Pros option available for purchase. Below is a dedicated track kit with a competition caliper which was also recently designed. We could easily put together a 2 piece floating system if their was a need or requests to.

I really like those J hook rotors. looks real good.

DCNISMO · 09-24-2012, 10:06 PM

Alcons are used on lots of race cars as well. They make monoblock cast and forged calipers and the ones I had did not have dust boots, so they were true race systems with full floating discs front and rear. The AP ones in your pics are two piece calipers. Do they make monoblock ones?

ChrisSlicks · 09-24-2012, 10:28 PM

AP does make mono blocks. The NASCAR AP's are a full monoblock including the bridge (they run massively thick pads), and the WRC calipers are monoblock with removable bridge for ease of pad change. However for normal track use the non-monoblock AP's are still stiffer than many monoblock calipers from other manufacturers, not the slightest hint of flex.

Floating rotors are an available option from Stillen, different front caliper, not sure.

DR_ · 09-24-2012, 10:29 PM

A floating rotor set (front and rear) for the sport brakes was offered a few years ago by Relentless Autosports but only a few sets were bought.

ChrisSlicks · 09-24-2012, 10:36 PM

If you want to drool at a little as what an F1 brake setup looks like that costs more than our cars, check this out (sorry for the off-topic).

BlkNismo · 09-24-2012, 10:36 PM

I'm down for 2 peice front/rear rotors to work with oem sport calipers.

Race_Tech · 09-25-2012, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I'm with you there, the depth of the AP Racing product line is simply astounding, front street cars to F1 and everything in between. I'm still loving my Stillen AP Racing setup, the only complaint is the dust boots on the front calipers, we'll see if the titanium shims help a bit. At some point I'll go to a full floating setup but not worth it just yet.

Did the kit you bought come with anti-knockback springs fitted?

Race_Tech · 09-25-2012, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DR_

A floating rotor set (front and rear) for the sport brakes was offered a few years ago by Relentless Autosports but only a few sets were bought.

mmmm thanks for the info..Does not seem to be a very popular item around these parts is what I am gathering so far. Exactly the reason I posted this thread. Its a feeler thread.

Rusty · 09-25-2012, 04:25 AM

You have my attention with this BBK talk.

I'm looking to buy a set shortly. Front and rear.

09-24-2012, 05:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Race_Tech Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Tampa Posts: 58 Drives: S4 Race Car, IS350 Rep Power: 13	AP Racing BBK Currently looking to see if their is a market for a Competition BBK for the 370z. Couple options I could think of: 1) 2 piece rotors to compliment the OEM Brembo Option 2) A full BBK with floating rotors & upgraded calipers Is this something anyone could find usefull in the 370z community and are their any special requests for such products or things you would like taken into consideration if the project becomes a go. Last edited by Race_Tech; 09-25-2012 at 01:07 AM.

09-24-2012, 06:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	I think both options should be considered. The basic AP Racing kit from Stillen is a good start, but the front caliper they supply is a street/track design with dust boots that promptly get crispified after the first track day. There's only a handful of people running a full track car though so I'm not sure how profitable a full track setup would be in terms of designing new bracketry etc. A straight up 2-piece rotor replacement for the Akebono's (there's no Brembo's) would likely sell more units. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

09-24-2012, 06:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Race_Tech Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Tampa Posts: 58 Drives: S4 Race Car, IS350 Rep Power: 13	The picture above is a similar unit as supplied by Stillen. Its a street caliper but uses internal seals and comes fitted with anti knockback springs. Its also a stiffer caliper. I did not however check to see if their was a Stillen/Brake Pros option available for purchase. Last edited by Race_Tech; 09-25-2012 at 01:08 AM.

09-24-2012, 08:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	I'm with you there, the depth of the AP Racing product line is simply astounding, front street cars to F1 and everything in between. I'm still loving my Stillen AP Racing setup, the only complaint is the dust boots on the front calipers, we'll see if the titanium shims help a bit. At some point I'll go to a full floating setup but not worth it just yet. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

09-24-2012, 10:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	AP does make mono blocks. The NASCAR AP's are a full monoblock including the bridge (they run massively thick pads), and the WRC calipers are monoblock with removable bridge for ease of pad change. However for normal track use the non-monoblock AP's are still stiffer than many monoblock calipers from other manufacturers, not the slightest hint of flex. Floating rotors are an available option from Stillen, different front caliper, not sure. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

09-24-2012, 06:14 PM	#3 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	How about an Alcon kit? I had that on my B6 S4 and it was great. It had the 6 piston caliper up front that was cast 1 piece and the rear alcon rotor with XP8 pads all around.

09-24-2012, 10:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	Alcons are used on lots of race cars as well. They make monoblock cast and forged calipers and the ones I had did not have dust boots, so they were true race systems with full floating discs front and rear. The AP ones in your pics are two piece calipers. Do they make monoblock ones?

09-24-2012, 10:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 17	A floating rotor set (front and rear) for the sport brakes was offered a few years ago by Relentless Autosports but only a few sets were bought.

09-24-2012, 10:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	If you want to drool at a little as what an F1 brake setup looks like that costs more than our cars, check this out (sorry for the off-topic). GaleForce likes this. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

09-24-2012, 10:36 PM	#12 (permalink)
BlkNismo Track Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo Rep Power: 15	I'm down for 2 peice front/rear rotors to work with oem sport calipers.

09-25-2012, 04:25 AM	#15 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	You have my attention with this BBK talk. I'm looking to buy a set shortly. Front and rear. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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