First Problem With my 370Z

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Exactly. It's a car. It has thousands of moving parts. You think each one will be perfect? No. That's why you have a warranty and a reputation backing the product. Or rather, you HOPE you do...

Sh0velMan

Yeah, it is.

Anyway, ceramic and metallic/organic mix pads will always deposit if your driving style happens to be such that you stand on the brakes while they're hot on a regular basis. 'Hot' just means "not cold".

I would get some sintered metal pads and call it a day, that's the only way around it in my opinion. Never had any issues with my Z and the rotors last forever. (nearly)

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This is the only car I have ever owned that warps the rotors every several hundred to several thousand miles like clockwork.

2011 C6 Z06
1993 Crown Vic
2002 G20
2001 WS.6
1995 Trans AM
1988 Mustang GT

You telling me the 370Z with sport package is the most fragile of these in the braking department? Half of the damn product manual shows it on a literal racetrack, and one full page is devoted to the craptastic brakes.

Chuck33079

Personally, I think it's time to stop being quite so relaxed. I'm not necessarily saying lawyer up, but if you have a friend or acquaintance who is an attorney? Sometimes all you need is the letter.

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Sh0velMan

I don't see anything on that list that can really be compared?

I'll go through the list so you can know what I mean:

2011 C6 Z06
- Laaaarge swept area 4 pot caliper, peak heat per square inch not as high as the Z, not using super compressible organic/ceramic pad to reach "artificially high" peak coefficient of friction like the Z's stock pads.
1993 Crown Vic
- large shitty single pot caliper, peak heat much lower because the coefficient of friction isn't even in the same universe
2002 G20
- small shitty single pot caliper, see above
2001 WS.6
- large shitty two pot, see above
1995 Trans AM
- large shitty single pot (maybe two pot) caliper, see above
1988 Mustang GT
- large shitty single pot, see above

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You're right. Physical violence would make me feel great, and there isn't a person there I couldn't walk through, but that is not the answer and the results would be counter productive to every other aspect of my life.

So really, the only true force I can bring to bear that will get results and not cost me more than it gets me is legal force. Dealerships are sleazy enough to know this, and that I am smart enough to realize it, too, regardless of how nasty I may feel.

I know several excellent lawyers and may give one a call after speaking with Nissan's area rep. I want to speak with him before I go further down that road.

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So what you are saying is that 2-3 minutes on a track (actually, the first set I fried instantly with a panic slow from 75 to 40 on the freeway when someone moved over into my lane, so maybe Turn 1?) is enough to fry Nissan's Sport brakes, but yet they are better than all of these other systems because...why?

Sh0velMan

Learning a lot about why you're not having much luck dealing with people on this issue.

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Sh0velMan

Yes that is really enough on the stock pads.

They're not better than all of those, but most of them, yes.

Get REAL pads, the problem goes away. Or, don't abuse the stock pads and be happy.

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I think you should read the rest of the post. I don't think there is a person alive who hasn't wanted to put their fist through someone's face, but instead has politely reasoned with them because that is the smarter, better way. I said what I felt like doing, not what I planned, threatened, or otherwise postured to do.

Chuck33079

Have you put together a file on all of this? Invoices, dates of work, date and times of calls to the dealer and corporate, other notes? These will come in handy, especially if you end up in a situation that requires a lawyer.

As good as it would feel to smack somebody in the head over this, their bruises would eventually heal. A good legal raping will leave their anus bruised forever.

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Like the Stoptech pads I had? That lasted a couple hundred miles on Z1 slotted rotors. Or do you mean I need to install $300 race pads just to drive to work?

ImportConvert

I have some records. I presume that a good lawyer could subpoena them. Probably wrong to have assumed on my part.

Sh0velMan

HPS, Carbotech anything, or yes, $300 "race" pads.

Or you can just not abuse the stock ones... There is no other reason you would go through a set of pads in normal driving, seriously. After that emergency deceleration, did you give the brakes several minutes to come back down in temp before you stopped the car? If you didn't, you probably stuck the pads to the rotors and then a few days later you started getting the bumpy pedal. This is why I hate hate hate ceramic/organic pads.

The ONLY ones that I haven't had go bumpy on me is HPS, I have those on my DD and dislike how they destroy rotors faster than I think they should, but have to live with it so I don't get the bumps.

Anyway, good luck!

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Chuck33079

I'd start writing everything down, and tracking down every single bit of paper you have that's related. If a lawyer has to find it, he'll bill somebody for the time spent finding it. Small claims court against the dealer could also be an option depending on your state's law.

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