Brake Fade a risk for first time tracker?

vividracing

I've seen this happen plenty of times. Just pay attention to the car, and you'll be ok. As Mike said, as soon as you have feel anything odd, back off and take a cool off lap if allowed. Regardless of whether or not you're allowed a cool-off lap, get back to the pits.

As far as where to purchase from... We've got a wall full of Motul Give me a call! The info is below.

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brucelidat

Motul RBF600 Synthetic DOT 4 the one I should be looking at? how much do I need? Is it necessary to change out my brake lines if I will only be tracking occasionally?

FL 4Motion

see sig, we run carbotech xp8's. It's a good track pad if you're not a maniac on the track (mike, he's fast ), and I find them totally streetable and carbotech's have non corrosive dust, at least the xp8's seem to since no wheel damage and 4 track days and 1000's of street miles on them so far.

motul rbf 600, forged performance lines (or any other good quality line)

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370guy

Carbotech are really good, kind of noisy though especially if your Z is your DD. Im using AMS ceramic pads and have been really happy with them so far. Great compromise between a street/track pad. Z1 carries these and they arent expensive. As for fluid, Ive used Motul in the past and had great experiences with it, never tried Brembo fluid but Im sure its all about the same stuff

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martin82

Great thread, I will also have my first track day in January on my '12 since I'm at around 1200 miles right now. I am thinking of upgrading to braided brake lines and fluid. Wear out the pads on the track and install new pads after that.

We will see how the new oil cooler on the 2012's do!

brucelidat

Thanks for all the good info.

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brucelidat

Are you referring to the AMS Carbon-Ceramic Pads 370Z/G37 Akebono/Sport Package The Z is my DD so less noisy would be better if these still perform well enough on the track. I'm not hardcore, I just want to be safe. If I end up getting really into it, pads can change. Anyone else have experience with these pads? They're looking pretty good at that price.

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brucelidat

Anyone have experience with the z1 stainless steel brake lines? I noticed they also have premium stainless steel lines, are those any better than the regular?

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spearfish25

Don't worry about stainless steel lines right now. Your focus should be pads and fluid. I track frequently and use the stock brake lines. With regard to stainless steel lines, it's a feel difference, not a performance difference. The pads and fluids are performance/safety changes that you need to address first.

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brucelidat

The fluids are $40 and the lines kit w/ fluid are only $104 and $124 for regular and premium so I thought might as well since it's not much more. If they don't help in performance, though, then I guess I might not need them. What is the feel difference they provide?

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370guy

yes those are the pads im talking abuot and ive been very very happy with mine so far. the initial bite is awesome! no noise and less dust than the stock pads. All around good pad for occasionaly track uses

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cossie1600

So you want to kill your pads prematurely while getting no performance benefits out of it?

N8GTOL

I did my first track event earlier this month at Willow Springs (Big Willow Track). I was bone stock. My car came with the Nismo pads which are only a hair better than the standard sport pads. I had 2 bottles of Amsoil DOT4 on standby...I would have swapped the fluid before hand but ran out of time due to a minor shipping delay. Big Willow is a fast track but it isn't super brake intensive for a first timer despite getting up to 120mph a few times. Also, due to the lack of oil cooler I was pitting the car every 10-15 minutes to cool it down so I am sure this helped the brakes cool also. If I were to do it again I would swap the fluid and at the very least bring spare pads if not swapping out for better ones before hand. I made sure to turn VDC off the whole time too.

Have fun, and be safe! I saw a brand new SS camero go into a wall do to a fouled track so keep an eye out for anything abnormal conditions and flag workers and make sure to back off accordingly.

brucelidat

Thanks for the advice. I was originally planning to do a course at Buttonwillow, but my friends who track regularly may go to Big Willow instead so I might go to that track with them instead of Buttonwillow.

What difference do the brake lines make?

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N8GTOL

I don't have SS lines yet but they really firm up the pedal feel from what I've read on here.

I should add to my earlier post that I was worried I would ice mode after reading several valid postings on here (these guys know what they're talking about). However, with the frequent oil cool down pit stops, I did not notice any fade or softening. The brakes felt sharp all day and everyone that rode with me commented on how well the car slowed down coming off the front straight into turn 1. For a bone stock car this thing tracked amazingly well!!! I was eating cars up in the corners once I got the lines down.

Also, make sure to let some air out of the tires before you do some hot laps. I put all 4 tires at 32psi (cold)...they went up to 41-42psi hot and felt perfect.