I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on some sway bars?

Elia Cid · 10-25-2010, 09:30 PM

Hi,
I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on some sway bars, I ‘m really considering Hotchkis!

My only concern is, are the Hotchkis too stiff for DD?

Are the current rear bars from Hotchkis 27mm or 28.5mm?

Eibach sway bar uses Lbs. and everyone else use % to state difference between their sway bars and OEM?

What’s wrong with the Stillen sway bars?

Whites sway's look great but I’m not a fan of swapping out OEM sway bar links?

Why are the Tanabe and Nismo, with only one hole, and the Cusco I believe has one adjustment in the front, so expensive compared to others, are they worth the extra money?

Thanks ,

Alex

shabarivas · 10-25-2010, 09:54 PM

If you think Hotchkis is too stiff stay away from cusco

zero · 10-25-2010, 09:54 PM

I got Eibach and here are specs in % over OEM.

OEM front : 26.5mm - 416 lbs/in
rear: 24.3mm - 374 lbs/in

Eibach
32mm OD front : 1st hole - ~176% (730 lbs/in)
2nd hole - ~217% (900 lbs/in)

29mm OD rear : 1st hole - ~167% (625 lbs/in)
2nd hole - ~198% (741 lbs/in)
3rd hole - ~230% (860 lbs/in)

Elia Cid · 10-25-2010, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shabarivas

If you think Hotchkis is too stiff stay away from cusco

Let me rephrase ,do the folks that have Hotchkis sway bars, think they are too stiff for DD, I want to find out if they are overly stiff for DD or not from users that have them in their cars , before I buy.

Thanks!

Alex

tjlazer · 10-25-2010, 10:36 PM

I have them and they are fine for a DD. Can't really tell when driving normal.

ncheung85 · 10-25-2010, 11:07 PM

I got these specs from hotchkis. So shhh.

Front Sway Bar
35mm (Ø1-3/8") Hollow
Hole 1 = 205% Stiffer than Stock 370Z

Rear Sway Bar
27mm (Ø1.063") Hollow
Hole 1 = 40% Stiffer than Stock 370Z
Hole 2 = 75% Stiffer than Stock 370Z
Hole 3 = 120% Stiffer than Stock 370Z

The newest rear sway is a bit longer than the previous one up to 27 from 25.4.
If you go with the softest setting on the rear, it should be ok for DD. I don't use my Z as a DD so I don't really know for sure.

I have heard that stillen sway is a bit more softer and better for streets that the hotchkis. Everyone is different, what you think is stiff wont be stiff for another person. You have to try it out for yourself. Like tjlazer said it's fine for DD.

Good luck with your choice.

Elia Cid · 10-25-2010, 11:38 PM

Zero , Ncheung85 ,TJlazer thanks guys !

I ‘m just wondering why such a huge difference from OEM front bar numbers?

Stillen front sway bar hole is 720 lbs. and is only rated at 28.6% stiffer.

Eibach front 1st hole is 730 lbs. just 10 lbs. difference and its rated at a whopping 176 % stiffer?

Hotchkis front, 1st hole is rated even larger by 29% for a total of 205%?

I also found interesting the #2 holes are almost equal in lbs. but really off in actual % numbers.

For example:

Stillen rear bar #2 , 920 lbs. 70% stiffer.

Hotchiks rear bar #2, ? lbs. 75% stiffer.

Eibach rear bar # 3 is only 860 lbs. 60 lbs. less then Stillen and is rated at 230 %, 160% higher then Stillen?

I’m I reading this wrong?

Thanks,

Alex

zero · 10-25-2010, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elia Cid

Zero , Ncheung85 ,TJlazer thanks guys !

I ‘m just wondering why such a huge difference in OEM front bar numbers?

Stillen front sway bar hole is 720 lbs. and is only rated at 28.6% stiffer?

Eibach front 1st hole 730 lbs. just 10 lbs. difference and its rated at a whopping 176 % stiffer?

Hotchkis front, 1st hole is rated even larger by 29% for a total of 205 %

I also found interesting the #2 hole is almost equal in lbs. but really off in actual % numbers.

Stillen rear bar #2 , 920 lbs. 70% stiffer.

Hotchiks rear bar #2, ? lbs. 75% stiffer.

Eibach rear bar # 3 is only 860 lbs. 60 lbs. less then Stillen and is rated at 230 %, 160% higher then Stillen?

I’m I reading this wrong?

Thanks,

Alex

I also replied your other post. Here is a conversion to percentage on Eibach.

OEM front : 26.5mm - 416 lbs/in
rear: 24.3mm - 374 lbs/in

Eibach
32mm OD front : 1st hole - ~176% (730 lbs/in) >>> ~76% stiffer than OE
2nd hole - ~217% (900 lbs/in) >>>>> 117 stiffer than OE

29mm OD rear : 1st hole - ~167% (625 lbs/in) >>>> 67% stiffer than OE
2nd hole - ~198% (741 lbs/in) >>>> 98% stiffer than OE
3rd hole - ~230% (860 lbs/in) >>>> 130% stiffer than OE

Does it make sense?

Ztoon · 10-26-2010, 12:41 AM

Whoa,.... you can analyze the numbers endlessly. I've had Hotchkis on for 15,000 mi. now, for DD,on the softest setting, and luv 'em!
Recently added BC BR's for stance and a bit more grab, and am a happy camper.

Elia Cid · 10-26-2010, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zero

I also replied your other post. Here is a conversion to percentage on Eibach.

OEM front : 26.5mm - 416 lbs/in
rear: 24.3mm - 374 lbs/in

Eibach
32mm OD front : 1st hole - ~176% (730 lbs/in) >>> ~76% stiffer than OE
2nd hole - ~217% (900 lbs/in) >>>>> 117 stiffer than OE

29mm OD rear : 1st hole - ~167% (625 lbs/in) >>>> 67% stiffer than OE
2nd hole - ~198% (741 lbs/in) >>>> 98% stiffer than OE
3rd hole - ~230% (860 lbs/in) >>>> 130% stiffer than OE

Does it make sense?

Zero,
Not saying there’s anything wrong with your individual numbers per-say ,I’m just saying the numbers are not making sense collectively!

I got what you’re saying, what I’m saying is the numbers don’t compute, when I compare how the similar lbs. numbers produce such wildly different percentages numbers across the board by different manufactures!

For example:
I‘ll but it this way if the 2nd hole - 920 lbs. @ 1” travel 70 .4% stiffer than OE.

Than how can a 3rd hole - 860 lbs. @ 1” travel be 130% stiffer than OE?

One is saying 920 lbs. = 70.4% and the other is saying 860 lbs. = 130%, I don’t understand how in this type of equation a lower lbs. can yield a higher percentage number!!!

Or maybe I’m just looking at it the wrong way.

Anyways don’t lose any sleep over it,

I my just have my "of" lbs. and "then" % mixed up! “lol”

No matter the numbers, Eibach are starting to appeal to me, please let me know how you like them and how they are performing for you!

Thanks,
Alex

djpathfinder · 10-26-2010, 01:42 AM

I have Hotchkis sways with the rear on the middle setting and no, they are not too stiff for daily driving, even in combination with coilovers.

Elia Cid · 10-26-2010, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djpathfinder

I have Hotchkis sways with the rear on the middle setting and no, they are not too stiff for daily driving, even in combination with coilovers.

Thanks, good to know as Hotchkis were my first pick .

I noticed on the Hotchkis website that "Effective 8-17 the size of this rear bar has been changed from 27mm to 28.5mm."

Just wondering if most dealers have the new rear bars yet, at the same price ?

Hotchkis website is asking $412.95 for the newer set of sway bars.

Side note:

The Pocono mountains enjoy a lot of scenic winding roads that would be great to drive around on with good sways and suspension this fall.

Can't wait to try them out!

Thanks,

Alex

ChrisSlicks · 10-26-2010, 09:08 AM

I have the Hotchkis and with the stock suspension the front sway bar was too stiff and introduces massive low speed understeer with aggressive driving. So unless you are willing to increase front camber to -2.5 stay away from the hotchkis.

It works well with my setup now, but I have BC ER coilovers and -3.5 degrees of front camber.

Elia Cid · 10-26-2010, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

I have the Hotchkis and with the stock suspension the front sway bar was too stiff and introduces massive low speed understeer with aggressive driving. So unless you are willing to increase front camber to -2.5 stay away from the hotchkis.

It works well with my setup now, but I have BC ER coilovers and -3.5 degrees of front camber.

I don’t plan on tracking, but I do live near the Pocono Raceway, I my get a wild hair!

I was also planning on installing KW Variant 3 coilovers , next spring .but I don’ want to be forced into it!

Was this what you intended for your set up from the start and has it all worked out, or do you think you would have pursued differently route, if so how?

Thanks I appreciate your thoughts on this,

Alex

ChrisSlicks · 10-26-2010, 10:29 AM

If I was going with an all street setup I would probably get the Stillen sways, they are a better compromise for the street.

10-25-2010, 09:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
Elia Cid Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: East Stroudsburg , PA Posts: 188 Drives: 08 G35 xS , 010 370Z Rep Power: 15	I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on some sway bars? Hi, I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on some sway bars, I ‘m really considering Hotchkis! My only concern is, are the Hotchkis too stiff for DD? Are the current rear bars from Hotchkis 27mm or 28.5mm? Eibach sway bar uses Lbs. and everyone else use % to state difference between their sway bars and OEM? What’s wrong with the Stillen sway bars? Whites sway's look great but I’m not a fan of swapping out OEM sway bar links? Why are the Tanabe and Nismo, with only one hole, and the Cusco I believe has one adjustment in the front, so expensive compared to others, are they worth the extra money? Thanks , Alex __________________ Stillen G3-CAI , CBE , Grounding kit // Berk HFC // Eibach Sway Bars // Rear Spoiler // Kick Plates // Fog Light // Escort 9500ix-Shifters ZR4 // Gentex-51A // Next: Stillen 25 row Oil Cooler , Crank Pulley // O.Z. Botticelli III // KW-V3 Last edited by Elia Cid; 10-25-2010 at 09:33 PM.

10-25-2010, 09:54 PM	#3 (permalink)
zero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,259 Drives: MK 7.5 Golf R Rep Power: 23	I got Eibach and here are specs in % over OEM. OEM front : 26.5mm - 416 lbs/in rear: 24.3mm - 374 lbs/in Eibach 32mm OD front : 1st hole - ~176% (730 lbs/in) 2nd hole - ~217% (900 lbs/in) 29mm OD rear : 1st hole - ~167% (625 lbs/in) 2nd hole - ~198% (741 lbs/in) 3rd hole - ~230% (860 lbs/in) __________________

10-25-2010, 10:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
tjlazer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Tacoma Age: 53 Posts: 2,496 Drives: Z34, R35 Rep Power: 20	I have them and they are fine for a DD. Can't really tell when driving normal. __________________ 2009 370Z Monterey Blue,Nismo Conversion,RE-11's, K&N Typhoon intakes,Blue Kickplates,Homelink,FI 18" CBE,ERZ HFCs,Hotchkis sways, Swift Spec-R, EVO-R Highwing, UPREV

10-25-2010, 11:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
ncheung85 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Alhambra, CA Posts: 339 Drives: z Rep Power: 15	I got these specs from hotchkis. So shhh. Front Sway Bar 35mm (Ø1-3/8") Hollow Hole 1 = 205% Stiffer than Stock 370Z Rear Sway Bar 27mm (Ø1.063") Hollow Hole 1 = 40% Stiffer than Stock 370Z Hole 2 = 75% Stiffer than Stock 370Z Hole 3 = 120% Stiffer than Stock 370Z The newest rear sway is a bit longer than the previous one up to 27 from 25.4. If you go with the softest setting on the rear, it should be ok for DD. I don't use my Z as a DD so I don't really know for sure. I have heard that stillen sway is a bit more softer and better for streets that the hotchkis. Everyone is different, what you think is stiff wont be stiff for another person. You have to try it out for yourself. Like tjlazer said it's fine for DD. Good luck with your choice. __________________ Injen \| Berk \| HKS \| Hotchkis \| Gtspec \| EVO-R \| Forgestar \| KW \| SPC \| Uprev Youtube Last edited by ncheung85; 10-25-2010 at 11:12 PM.

10-25-2010, 11:38 PM	#7 (permalink)
Elia Cid Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: East Stroudsburg , PA Posts: 188 Drives: 08 G35 xS , 010 370Z Rep Power: 15	Zero , Ncheung85 ,TJlazer thanks guys ! I ‘m just wondering why such a huge difference from OEM front bar numbers? Stillen front sway bar hole is 720 lbs. and is only rated at 28.6% stiffer. Eibach front 1st hole is 730 lbs. just 10 lbs. difference and its rated at a whopping 176 % stiffer? Hotchkis front, 1st hole is rated even larger by 29% for a total of 205%? I also found interesting the #2 holes are almost equal in lbs. but really off in actual % numbers. For example: Stillen rear bar #2 , 920 lbs. 70% stiffer. Hotchiks rear bar #2, ? lbs. 75% stiffer. Eibach rear bar # 3 is only 860 lbs. 60 lbs. less then Stillen and is rated at 230 %, 160% higher then Stillen? I’m I reading this wrong? Thanks, Alex __________________ Stillen G3-CAI , CBE , Grounding kit // Berk HFC // Eibach Sway Bars // Rear Spoiler // Kick Plates // Fog Light // Escort 9500ix-Shifters ZR4 // Gentex-51A // Next: Stillen 25 row Oil Cooler , Crank Pulley // O.Z. Botticelli III // KW-V3 Last edited by Elia Cid; 10-25-2010 at 11:55 PM.

10-25-2010, 09:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
shabarivas A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,188 Drives: 370z MB 6mt Rep Power: 914	If you think Hotchkis is too stiff stay away from cusco

10-26-2010, 12:41 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ztoon Track Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: B.C. Posts: 578 Drives: '09 370a7 Rep Power: 25	Whoa,.... you can analyze the numbers endlessly. I've had Hotchkis on for 15,000 mi. now, for DD,on the softest setting, and luv 'em! Recently added BC BR's for stance and a bit more grab, and am a happy camper. __________________ Stillen G3\|CBE\|ground kit, F.I. H.F.C., C.F. fangs\|mirrors\|pillars, Hotchkis, SSR Type-F, RE-11, UpRev, BC BR coilovers 15% tint, LED black hdlts, color match handles, Dynamat, tail lt. tint, Mines C.F. frt. lip\|rear spoiler, Amuse rear,skirts, vented fenders, c.f. vented hood, gloss blk. roof

10-26-2010, 01:42 AM	#11 (permalink)
djpathfinder A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 12,910 Drives: 2012 GT-R BE Rep Power: 733	I have Hotchkis sways with the rear on the middle setting and no, they are not too stiff for daily driving, even in combination with coilovers. __________________ 2012 GT-R Black Edition Jet Black 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary // SOLD

10-26-2010, 09:08 AM	#13 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	I have the Hotchkis and with the stock suspension the front sway bar was too stiff and introduces massive low speed understeer with aggressive driving. So unless you are willing to increase front camber to -2.5 stay away from the hotchkis. It works well with my setup now, but I have BC ER coilovers and -3.5 degrees of front camber. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

10-26-2010, 10:29 AM	#15 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	If I was going with an all street setup I would probably get the Stillen sways, they are a better compromise for the street. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

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