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Originally Posted by djpathfinder I have Hotchkis sways with the rear on the middle setting and no, they are not too stiff for daily driving, even in combination with coilovers.

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Old 10-26-2010, 06:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I have Hotchkis sways with the rear on the middle setting and no, they are not too stiff for daily driving, even in combination with coilovers.
Thanks, good to know as Hotchkis were my first pick .

I noticed on the Hotchkis website that "Effective 8-17 the size of this rear bar has been changed from 27mm to 28.5mm."

Just wondering if most dealers have the new rear bars yet, at the same price ?

Hotchkis website is asking $412.95 for the newer set of sway bars.

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The Pocono mountains enjoy a lot of scenic winding roads that would be great to drive around on with good sways and suspension this fall.
Can't wait to try them out!

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I have the Hotchkis and with the stock suspension the front sway bar was too stiff and introduces massive low speed understeer with aggressive driving. So unless you are willing to increase front camber to -2.5 stay away from the hotchkis.

It works well with my setup now, but I have BC ER coilovers and -3.5 degrees of front camber.
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I have the Hotchkis and with the stock suspension the front sway bar was too stiff and introduces massive low speed understeer with aggressive driving. So unless you are willing to increase front camber to -2.5 stay away from the hotchkis.

It works well with my setup now, but I have BC ER coilovers and -3.5 degrees of front camber.
I don’t plan on tracking, but I do live near the Pocono Raceway, I my get a wild hair!

I was also planning on installing KW Variant 3 coilovers , next spring .but I don’ want to be forced into it!

Was this what you intended for your set up from the start and has it all worked out, or do you think you would have pursued differently route, if so how?

Thanks I appreciate your thoughts on this,

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If I was going with an all street setup I would probably get the Stillen sways, they are a better compromise for the street.
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If I was going with an all street setup I would probably get the Stillen sways, they are a better compromise for the street.

You may be correct, Hotchkis just may be too stiff for a DD driver like myself. I really don’t want to alter the stock suspension geometry of the car much , I also have concerns about the fact that it just has that, only one hole on the front bar!

Hotchkis users please chime in about your experiences with the Hotchkis bars?

I’m really seriously considering the Stillen sway bars even though I really like the Eibach bars.

Here’s why, when I look at the numbers heres what I’m coming up with!

Eibach are great looking bars and look well made with all the adjustment holes you would want or need for DD or track IMO.

That being said, I don’t track, I would be using the first hole on the front bar and the second hole on the Eibach rear bar, which are the equivalent of the first holes on both the front and rear Stillen sway bars. For a lot less less ...

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You may be correct, Hotchkis just may be too stiff for a DD driver like myself. I really don’t want to alter the stock suspension geometry of the car much , I also have concerns about the fact that it just has that, only one hole on the front bar!

Hotchkis users please chime in about your experiences with the Hotchkis bars?

I’m really seriously considering the Stillen sway bars even though I really like the Eibach bars.

Here’s why, when I look at the numbers heres what I’m coming up with!

Eibach are great looking bars and look well made with all the adjustment holes you would want or need for DD or track IMO.

That being said, I don’t track, I would be using the first hole on the front bar and the second hole on the Eibach rear bar, which are the equivalent of the first holes on both the front and rear Stillen sway bars. For a lot less less ...

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You may be correct, Hotchkis just may be too stiff for a DD driver like myself. I really don’t want to alter the stock suspension geometry of the car much , I also have concerns about the fact that it just has that, only one hole on the front bar!

Hotchkis users please chime in about your experiences with the Hotchkis bars?

I’m really seriously considering the Stillen sway bars even though I really like the Eibach bars.

Here’s why, when I look at the numbers heres what I’m coming up with!

Eibach are great looking bars and look well made with all the adjustment holes you would want or need for DD or track IMO.

That being said, I don’t track, I would be using the first hole on the front bar and the second hole on the Eibach rear bar, which are the equivalent of the first holes on both the front and rear Stillen sway bars. For a lot less less ...

Thanks,

Alex
I have the hotchkis and absolutely no complaints. Rear is on stiffest setting and while it is a little bit more tail happy than stock it feels no different on the street and just better in the turns. On the track with hoosiers it's amazing...and I am able to carry a ton more speed through the turns (dropped lap times by about 3-4 seconds). I personally don't know why you wouldn't get the stiffest sway bars you can find regardless of track or street...
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I have the hotchkis and absolutely no complaints. Rear is on stiffest setting and while it is a little bit more tail happy than stock it feels no different on the street and just better in the turns. On the track with hoosiers it's amazing...and I am able to carry a ton more speed through the turns (dropped lap times by about 3-4 seconds). I personally don't know why you wouldn't get the stiffest sway bars you can find regardless of track or street...
Hey, I don’t have an issue with stiffness as long as it doesn’t create any issues with either over steering or introduces massive low speed under-steer with aggressive driving.

Ideal sway bars for me would be, bars that are stiffer than stock , that allow faster turns with less sway, for DD and occasional spirited driving with stock suspension, while maintaining the stock settings as close as possible .
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I have the hotchkis and absolutely no complaints. Rear is on stiffest setting and while it is a little bit more tail happy than stock it feels no different on the street and just better in the turns. On the track with hoosiers it's amazing...and I am able to carry a ton more speed through the turns (dropped lap times by about 3-4 seconds). I personally don't know why you wouldn't get the stiffest sway bars you can find regardless of track or street...
On the street above 40 mph (i.e. highway onramps) they were great but trying to get it to turn in to a 90 degree left turn at 30 mph was brutal. Maybe normal people don't do that. I will agree that on track they were great as well.
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