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Originally Posted by synolimit Tell us your camber arms too. PS not sure why everyone wants spec! If you modded the car to handle better OEM spec is the worst

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Old 09-22-2013, 12:48 PM   #1816 (permalink)
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Tell us your camber arms too.

PS not sure why everyone wants spec! If you modded the car to handle better OEM spec is the worst specs you can use.
I don't mind the negative camber in the front but the left front is a lot different than the right front. If they were closer in range I would be fine with it. You can actually see the difference
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Old 09-22-2013, 11:22 PM   #1818 (permalink)
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I don't mind the negative camber in the front but the left front is a lot different than the right front. If they were closer in range I would be fine with it. You can actually see the difference
I believe you, I'm off 0.5* left to right. But don't shoot for spec. Specs under -1 while the rear spec can go as high as -2.1. Those numbers need reversed and I'd always shoot for a -1* difference. So maybe -2 front -1 rear to save tires.
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Old 09-25-2013, 08:15 AM   #1819 (permalink)
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I've been reading a lot in the forum and I thought I would end up buying at least the toe bolts, but nope. The car align just fine, I don't really know what are the specs exactly but for now it'll do.
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There u go. Lets plan and schedule it
Im in for the meet BTW i want to install the Swift springs too but i have the same question.... i can install the springs with out buy the camber kit??? maybe here in this thread some one write something but my eyes are tired lool and i dont want to search in all 100+ pages lol

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Old 09-25-2013, 08:23 AM   #1820 (permalink)
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Yes people.... Swift Springs will lower your car AND change your negative camber. The rear is too aggressive for most people, but the front camber is only about -1.6 which actually improves the cars handling and has had no effect on my tire wear.

If you want a less aggressive stance and more rear tire life, you will need rear camber arms AND toe bolts. The stock parts do not have the range of movement to allow for the proper correction. You will also need to ENLARGE the oval hole in the frame (both front and back of the toe bolt holes, both sides) to get the proper range of movement for adjustment into spec.

This has been discussed hundreds of times in this thread and others. When you buy the rear camber arms, get the toe bolts at the same time.

I know this thread is long but the vendors should make sure that customers are aware of this when they are selling Swifts.

btw, it is still the best mod I ever made to the car. Performance and handling are amazing.
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Im in for the meet BTW i want to install the Swift springs too but i have the same question.... i can install the springs with out buy the camber kit??? maybe here in this thread some one write something but my eyes are tired lool and i dont want to search in all 100+ pages lol

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Yes, you can install the springs without having to buy a camber kit. However, if you want the rears to match the front camber wise, you'll need at least a set of rear camber bolts. Nothing needed for the front.
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Yes, you can install the springs without having to buy a camber kit. However, if you want the rears to match the front camber wise, you'll need at least a set of rear camber bolts. Nothing needed for the front.
...BUT if you install the rear camber arms and attempt to get back closer to stock camber YOU WILL require the toe bolts too....
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...BUT if you install the rear camber arms and attempt to get back closer to stock camber YOU WILL require the toe bolts too....
And whys that? That arm should have a world of adjustment.
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And whys that? That arm should have a world of adjustment.
The rear aftermarket arm DOES have a world of adjustment, but ONLY for camber...

the toe settings on the stock bolts can only adjust for the limited range of the stock camber arm. If you exceed that limit by using aftermarket camber arms YOU NEED the aftermarket toe bolts to get your toe back to zero (after moving camber beyond the range of the stock camber arms)

...just buy both!
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The rear aftermarket arm DOES have a world of adjustment, but ONLY for camber...

the toe settings on the stock bolts can only adjust for the limited range of the stock camber arm. If you exceed that limit by using aftermarket camber arms YOU NEED the aftermarket toe bolts to get your toe back to zero (after moving camber beyond the range of the stock camber arms)

...just buy both!
Gotcha. Or make toe/camber bolt lock out plates like me. Instead of drilling the hole center, just off set it. For $0.75 at 12" you can make about 8 of them till you get it right

But what about traction arms? Kinetic says you can do toe with those but spl doesn't say anything.
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Different geometry for traction arms.
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Lock out washers are best for the toe arms. Those are adjustable in the arm therefore you lockout the eccentric bolt.
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Toe arms are only for those with true coilovers and have removed the spring perch.
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Toe arms are only for those with true coilovers and have removed the spring perch.
Yeah I know, and I'm not paying $750 for the spl rear adjustable spring perch arm. I'll just make a few lock out plates and go to the alignment shop and see what it is. Only takes a second to install the plates and I'll have even more ability to adjust with the plates by flipping them over making the offset go to the other side.
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Yeah I know, and I'm not paying $750 for the spl rear adjustable spring perch arm. I'll just make a few lock out plates and go to the alignment shop and see what it is. Only takes a second to install the plates and I'll have even more ability to adjust with the plates by flipping them over making the offset go to the other side.
The problem is, toe is infinitely small adjustments to get it to 0 degrees... having the ability to adjust with the toe arm (stock spring perch replaced) is great for that. But if you are counting on the lockouts to get you accurate with the stock perch, you will have to make a lucky guess to keep your toe and thrust angle neutral. Two very critical angles.... I would recommend the $30 toe kit just to be safe!
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