Swift springs review!!!!!

KaienZ34 · 04-01-2013, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dmemenza

Thanks ZForce....which Euro shocks would you recommend?

- DM

He's talking about the stock 2013 370Z "euro tuned shocks".

bmarcinczyk14 · 04-01-2013, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee!

You will still want rear camber arms.... I tried to go without but I decided the tire wear wasn't worth it and the cost of the camber arms was reasonable. Don't forget toe bolts too... can't do one without the other.

Is there really any need for the toe bolts since my toe is all in spec?

wheee! · 04-02-2013, 08:19 AM

lol, yes! As soon as you move the camber back into line, the toe moves with it! The factory toe bolts do not have the range required to KEEP the car in toe. Get the toe bolts.....

Because you lowered the car, the camber became more negative and the toe did not change. That is because the springs were a 'central' point and the camber changed down the centre axis. As you try and correct the camber with camber arms, the toe will move 'in'.

This is because the camber arms are positioned low and to the front of the springs, effectively 'pulling' the font and bottom of the tire inwards and creating an inward toe effect.

The aftermarket toe bolts will pull the rear of the tire inwards and rearwards, allowing the alignment to became neutral and create 0 toe once again. The stock bolts do NOT have enough range to do this, and you will have to enlarge the toe bolts holes for the install to work. There is a template provided in the toe bolt package for enlarging your toe bolt holes.

henryy370z · 04-02-2013, 09:38 AM

Wow so many things to do with these springs toe bolts camber arms I'm better of getting coilovers

speedfreek · 04-02-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by henryy370z

Wow so many things to do with these springs toe bolts camber arms I'm better of getting coilovers

I did not install the toe bolts when I did my install. When I had my alignment done they got the toe back within factory spec. .18 left and .15 right. Your results may vary.

Joepro · 04-02-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

Is there really any need for the toe bolts since my toe is all in spec?

If its in its in, if the springs are fresh install they may sag as bit, and the measurements may change a tad, other than that I agree, unless you want to move to a toe angle you cannot at the moment, why go grinding away your sub frame?

ZMan8 · 04-02-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by henryy370z

Wow so many things to do with these springs toe bolts camber arms I'm better of getting coilovers

If you get coilovers and drop the car more than an inch you will still need toe bolts and camber arms...

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wheee! · 04-02-2013, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by speedfreek

I did not install the toe bolts when I did my install. When I had my alignment done they got the toe back within factory spec. .18 left and .15 right. Your results may vary.

O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too....

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Originally Posted by Joepro

If its in its in, if the springs are fresh install they may sag as bit, and the measurements may change a tad, other than that I agree, unless you want to move to a toe angle you cannot at the moment, why go grinding away your sub frame?

WHAT???? If its in now, it WILL move when you re-adjust camber!! The two settings are opposite adjacent, meaning if you move one, the other will move too! If you adjust camber to something close to factory from the -2.8 he's at now, the toe WILL move to a negative amount correspondingly! WOW......

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

If you get coilovers and drop the car more than an inch you will still need toe bolts and camber arms...

Exactly, these are all inter-related components....

bmarcinczyk14 · 04-02-2013, 11:09 AM

[QUOTE=wheee!;2246557]O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too....

If you look at my alignment sheet in my previous post, would you say my toe is too far away from zero? Also look at my camber between the front left and right, they are a bit off from each other, is this something to be concerned about?

wheee! · 04-02-2013, 11:24 AM

[QUOTE=bmarcinczyk14;2246566]

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Originally Posted by wheee!

O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too....

If you look at my alignment sheet in my previous post, would you say my toe is too far away from zero? Also look at my camber between the front left and right, they are a bit off from each other, is this something to be concerned about?

Your total toe is too much for my tastes. Your thrust angle is good, but you will be scrubbing the back tires off with that much toe. Again, some will say this is minor, but I prefer not to waste money on tires if I can help it!! Keep in mind that I have 305's on the back too and I moved my rear camber to -1.2, to get better contact with the road. That meant I needed to move the toe more to get it into line as well....

The front camber is a little off but you would need front camber arms to adjust that. I would wait till there are more choices on the market than just the SPC front camber arms....

ZMan8 · 04-02-2013, 11:27 AM

[QUOTE=bmarcinczyk14;2246566]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheee!

O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too....

If you look at my alignment sheet in my previous post, would you say my toe is too far away from zero? Also look at my camber between the front left and right, they are a bit off from each other, is this something to be concerned about?

[QUOTE=wheee!;2246592]

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

Your total toe is too much for my tastes. Your thrust angle is good, but you will be scrubbing the back tires off with that much toe. Again, some will say this is minor, but I prefer not to waste money on tires if I can help it!! Keep in mind that I have 305's on the back too and I moved my rear camber to -1.2, to get better contact with the road. That meant I needed to move the toe more to get it into line as well....

The front camber is a little off but you would need front camber arms to adjust that. I would wait till there are more choices on the market than just the SPC front camber arms....

Cusco makes not adjustable front camber arms that they say are perfect for those who only dropped an inch (like swifts).

speedfreek · 04-02-2013, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wheee!

O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'....
That also means your tracking is off too..

I agree 0 degrees toe is optimal. I have not noticed any excessive tire scrubbing with my new rears. One reason I didn't install the toe bolts is I was running short on time with other problems encountered during my install. Doing this with a DD isn't the best as after the weekend is up it needs to be road worthy. If I notice any excessive wear on my current set I will remedy the problem. Or if I just feel like installing the toe bolts as it starts warming up again in the garage I may do just that.

bmarcinczyk14 · 04-02-2013, 01:32 PM

[QUOTE=wheee!;2246592]

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Originally Posted by bmarcinczyk14

Your total toe is too much for my tastes. Your thrust angle is good, but you will be scrubbing the back tires off with that much toe. Again, some will say this is minor, but I prefer not to waste money on tires if I can help it!! Keep in mind that I have 305's on the back too and I moved my rear camber to -1.2, to get better contact with the road. That meant I needed to move the toe more to get it into line as well....

The front camber is a little off but you would need front camber arms to adjust that. I would wait till there are more choices on the market than just the SPC front camber arms....

Then why is the manufacture spec only recommend the lowest of 4 degrees? In this case it looks like he made my toe even worse than it was before, since he increased both the front and rear further from 0 than it was.

ZMan8 · 04-02-2013, 01:55 PM

[QUOTE=bmarcinczyk14;2246922]

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Originally Posted by wheee!

Then why is the manufacture spec only recommend the lowest of 4 degrees? In this case it looks like he made my toe even worse than it was before, since he increased both the front and rear further from 0 than it was.

that's normal. if they try to get your camber in spec, your toe will get out, if they try to fix the toe, then camber will get worse. <-- this only applies to OEM suspension components.

wheee! · 04-02-2013, 02:04 PM

WTF is up with the quotes? lol messed up...

04-02-2013, 08:19 AM	#1623 (permalink)
wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 57 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	lol, yes! As soon as you move the camber back into line, the toe moves with it! The factory toe bolts do not have the range required to KEEP the car in toe. Get the toe bolts..... Because you lowered the car, the camber became more negative and the toe did not change. That is because the springs were a 'central' point and the camber changed down the centre axis. As you try and correct the camber with camber arms, the toe will move 'in'. This is because the camber arms are positioned low and to the front of the springs, effectively 'pulling' the font and bottom of the tire inwards and creating an inward toe effect. The aftermarket toe bolts will pull the rear of the tire inwards and rearwards, allowing the alignment to became neutral and create 0 toe once again. The stock bolts do NOT have enough range to do this, and you will have to enlarge the toe bolts holes for the install to work. There is a template provided in the toe bolt package for enlarging your toe bolt holes. bmarcinczyk14 likes this. __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal Last edited by wheee!; 04-02-2013 at 08:27 AM.

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bmarcinczyk14 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 505 Drives: 2010 370z 6spd Sport Rep Power: 17	[QUOTE=wheee!;2246557]O degrees toe is best unless you are running a track setup... otherwise be prepared for excessive tire scrubbing. Your current settings are more than an 1/8th of an inch out from straight. Just sayin'.... That also means your tracking is off too.... If you look at my alignment sheet in my previous post, would you say my toe is too far away from zero? Also look at my camber between the front left and right, they are a bit off from each other, is this something to be concerned about? __________________ '10 370z -- '09 Ducati 848 -- '05 Kawasaki 636 Track Bike -- '02 Sentra SE-R Spec V

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wheee! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Mod Capital of Canada Age: 57 Posts: 7,354 Drives: cars. lots of cars. Rep Power: 40182	WTF is up with the quotes? lol messed up... __________________ H&R / Stillen / Berk / HKS / Swift / Michelin / UpRev / SPC / Amuse Rep / Seibon / Fringe XVO / TWM / more... My Journal

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henryy370z Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: nj bergen county Age: 32 Posts: 380 Drives: 2011-black-manual Rep Power: 13	Wow so many things to do with these springs toe bolts camber arms I'm better of getting coilovers