Still having stability issues

shadow85 · 07-18-2019, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

You have over one degree difference in caster. That will cause a pull. Which way is it pulling?

I think mainly it pulls to the right.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cv129

And the tech did not go over the effect of the new alignment with you? The rear toe-out (instead of toe-in) is alarming, that a reasonably knowledgeable technician doesn’t give you any warning at all. Toe-out isn’t for everyone, certainly not the safest thing for a street car.

Nope none of the techs did

And I told them all my severe problem of not being able to keep straight, especially under load.

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Shadow, I told you months ago you had an alignment that was AFU.

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Yes I do know this, that is why I have been trying to get help here and seeing other alignment shops to sort me out. I just can't get a break being in Adelaide I have no support! lol

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Originally Posted by OptionZero

He was definitely told. Had the same problem the last time he posted about his alignment:

Same issue with the castor

SPL catalog + better alignment tech

Are you going to some generic consumer alignment chain or a shop that actually does custom stuff for sports cars?

Yeah that is why I have been ringing around other shops to see if I can get better results. And there is no way I have been taking my car to generic service shops, not a chance, I love my car so much I spend top dollar to make sure it goes to the most reputable high performance workshops in Adelaide. Unfortunately it just has not proven to be that successful as you can see.

And do I really need the entire SPL catalog or do I just need the FUCA and a better tech. Isn't the entire SPL catalog going to cost me like $5K?? lol

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Originally Posted by BGTV8

Call Mark Povey at SA MotorSport Tyres (0409 288 380) and ask him for the name of a race alignment shop.

Please stay away from rear tow out - it creates dynamic instability under power and the car can get away from you real quick.

PM me if you want more personal info.

I'm in Vic but I do know a bunch of Motorsport people in Adelaide and can connect you to the skills you need.

Thank you BGTV8 I will call Mark ASAP. I really need some better help on this one. You are totally rite, the car very quickly gets away from me under power. I have had so many near misses and one actual curb hit!

OptionZero · 07-18-2019, 07:10 PM

at minimum, SPL FUCA
used sets pop up all the time but since you're trying to fix the problem you can just get a new set of those now. SPL FUCA adjusts both camber and caster to a much larger range than the SPC crap

I would directly talk to your last tech to see why he left the caster off

cv129 · 07-18-2019, 07:33 PM

It’s also time to take matters into your own hand a bit, need to educate yourself in what camber, caster, and toe do. Even if you have a miracle mechanic, you still gotta know your stuff, as that’s half the battle.

shadow85 · 07-18-2019, 07:38 PM

Ok kool, I will order the SPL FUCA.

Btw, is SPC front camber arm and the SPL FUCA replace the same part on the car?

Goddamm if I knew that I would have gone with SPL version in the first place, I had my SPC ordered from Z1 so I had to pay for international shipping anyway

shadow85 · 07-18-2019, 07:40 PM

And since it was mentioned my rear toe out needs attention, what part should I be looking at buying to fix that up or should that already be fixed with eibach rear camber/toe kit thats already on the car?

cv129 · 07-18-2019, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85

Btw, is SPC front camber arm and the SPL FUCA replace the same part on the car?

OptionZero · 07-18-2019, 08:16 PM

Yes
thats why im telling you to switch

OptionZero · 07-18-2019, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85

Ok kool, I will order the SPL FUCA.

Btw, is SPC front camber arm and the SPL FUCA replace the same part on the car?

Goddamm if I knew that I would have gone with SPL version in the first place, I had my SPC ordered from Z1 so I had to pay for international shipping anyway

Im pretty sure youve been told to go spl before

I know i say it in every post

shadow85 · 07-18-2019, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129

lol I did not know this because they are worded differently. SPC words it as front camber arms, and SPL as upper control arm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

Yes
thats why im telling you to switch

Ahh man, I can't recall it but I think I remember choosing SPC because it still seemed to have good reviews by ppl on here.

shadow85 · 07-18-2019, 09:45 PM

So I emailed SPL aswell with my alignment report to see what their suggestion also is.

This is what they replied with:

"I would get bumpsteer adjustable front tie rod ends and check the rear bushings for the dartiness. A camber arm would not be a bad idea in the rear to get the camber equal on each side and get rid of the deflection in that bushing. The traction arm might also help if you are lowered to keep the toe from changing in the rear to get the car from moving around on you."

OptionZero · 07-18-2019, 10:04 PM

i would PM BGTV8 and get a recommendation for a better alignment shop

Talk to them, make sure they understand the problem and can handle it

Rusty · 07-18-2019, 10:13 PM

Your caster numbers show a right pull. Which ever side is closer to zero. That is the side that it will pull to.

Rusty · 07-18-2019, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadow85

So I emailed SPL aswell with my alignment report to see what their suggestion also is.

This is what they replied with:

"I would get bumpsteer adjustable front tie rod ends and check the rear bushings for the dartiness. A camber arm would not be a bad idea in the rear to get the camber equal on each side and get rid of the deflection in that bushing. The traction arm might also help if you are lowered to keep the toe from changing in the rear to get the car from moving around on you."

You need the SPL upper arms to adjust for camber and caster. The dartiness is from the rear toe. Once you get the SPL upper arms. Try these align specs.

Front camber -1.7
Caster +6
Toe 1/16" in

Rear camber -1.7
Toe 1/16" in

These are good street specs. If you want more of track spec. You increase camber, and start to get the toe closer to zero. Then the car becomes darty.

shadow85 · 07-18-2019, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OptionZero

i would PM BGTV8 and get a recommendation for a better alignment shop

Talk to them, make sure they understand the problem and can handle it

Im going to try his contact here at SA motorsport tyres first as he reccomended then I will PM him if needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

Your caster numbers show a right pull. Which ever side is closer to zero. That is the side that it will pull to.

Your absolutely correct. It pulls mostly to the rite and very much more pronounced when trying to launch it. At which point the aggressive TC kicks in cuts throttle.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

You need the SPL upper arms to adjust for camber and caster. The dartiness is from the rear toe. Once you get the SPL upper arms. Try these align specs.

Front camber -1.7
Caster +6
Toe 1/16" in

Rear camber -1.7
Toe 1/16" in

These are good street specs. If you want more of track spec. You increase camber, and start to get the toe closer to zero. Then the car becomes darty.

OK I will note this down and present it to the next alignment centre. Curious about drag racing aswell mostly, would these settings also be good for drag racing or would I need a new alignment altogether for that?

At some point in the future when all my car issues have been sorted I would love to hit the strip.

Rusty · 07-19-2019, 12:19 AM

For the strip. The rear camber should be close to zero.

07-18-2019, 07:10 PM	#17 (permalink)
OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,226 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 214100	at minimum, SPL FUCA used sets pop up all the time but since you're trying to fix the problem you can just get a new set of those now. SPL FUCA adjusts both camber and caster to a much larger range than the SPC crap I would directly talk to your last tech to see why he left the caster off shadow85 likes this. __________________ OptionZero Build Thread

07-18-2019, 07:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,223 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163995	It’s also time to take matters into your own hand a bit, need to educate yourself in what camber, caster, and toe do. Even if you have a miracle mechanic, you still gotta know your stuff, as that’s half the battle. Chuck33079, Rusty and BettyZ like this. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

07-18-2019, 08:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,226 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 214100	Yes thats why im telling you to switch __________________ OptionZero Build Thread

07-18-2019, 10:04 PM	#26 (permalink)
OptionZero A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Sacramento Posts: 3,226 Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 214100	i would PM BGTV8 and get a recommendation for a better alignment shop Talk to them, make sure they understand the problem and can handle it __________________ OptionZero Build Thread Last edited by OptionZero; 07-18-2019 at 10:09 PM.

07-18-2019, 10:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,187 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Your caster numbers show a right pull. Which ever side is closer to zero. That is the side that it will pull to. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

07-18-2019, 07:38 PM	#19 (permalink)
shadow85 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: South Australia, Austra Posts: 918 Drives: 15' 370Z A/T AMM TT Rep Power: 25	Ok kool, I will order the SPL FUCA. Btw, is SPC front camber arm and the SPL FUCA replace the same part on the car? Goddamm if I knew that I would have gone with SPL version in the first place, I had my SPC ordered from Z1 so I had to pay for international shipping anyway

07-18-2019, 07:40 PM	#20 (permalink)
shadow85 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: South Australia, Austra Posts: 918 Drives: 15' 370Z A/T AMM TT Rep Power: 25	And since it was mentioned my rear toe out needs attention, what part should I be looking at buying to fix that up or should that already be fixed with eibach rear camber/toe kit thats already on the car?

07-18-2019, 09:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
shadow85 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: South Australia, Austra Posts: 918 Drives: 15' 370Z A/T AMM TT Rep Power: 25	So I emailed SPL aswell with my alignment report to see what their suggestion also is. This is what they replied with: "I would get bumpsteer adjustable front tie rod ends and check the rear bushings for the dartiness. A camber arm would not be a bad idea in the rear to get the camber equal on each side and get rid of the deflection in that bushing. The traction arm might also help if you are lowered to keep the toe from changing in the rear to get the car from moving around on you."

07-19-2019, 12:19 AM	#30 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,187 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	For the strip. The rear camber should be close to zero. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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