Nissan 370Z Forum  

Competitors to KW V3 and who ran Greddy X KW

So the OEM bolt or spc bolt if I don't want to spend the money and the spc camber arms and midlink If I don't mind on doing it right.

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Brakes & Suspension


Like Tree108Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-04-2019, 03:32 PM   #46 (permalink)
Base Member
 
SPDKING's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 199
Drives: 14' Nissan 370Z SP
Rep Power: 1998
SPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond repute
Default

So the OEM bolt or spc bolt if I don't want to spend the money and the spc camber arms and midlink If I don't mind on doing it right. I'm going to look into both. I know for sure I don't want the increased tire wear or the crazy camber like those stance teenagers.

So essentially I can get away with what I already have or the spc bolts is what your saying? Are you positive the alignment won't get thrown off with aggressive driving with just the OEM bolt or the spc toe bolts?
__________________
Stillen front and rear sway bars/Continental Extreme Tires/Annex Suspension Coilovers/Z1 Oil Cooler/Borla Catback Exhaust/K&N Drop in filters/SPL
SPDKING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2019, 06:01 PM   #47 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 3,231
Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT
Rep Power: 214100
OptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond repute
Default

It's SPL
Not SPC

SPC is an entirely different company

Camber doesn't cause increased wear, just uneven wear.
And camber is actually GOOD for handling, within limits

Have u ever been to any race track anywhere? Every car there has negative camber

There are some styles of car tuning that take it to an extreme
__________________
OptionZero Build Thread

Last edited by OptionZero; 05-04-2019 at 06:04 PM.
OptionZero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2019, 10:12 PM   #48 (permalink)
Track Member
 
AlWakRa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Qatar
Posts: 600
Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT
Rep Power: 13450
AlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Toe is the real killer for tires.

The car already has nearly -1.5 rear camber in stock form, with minimum drop it may add around 0.5 more negative camber, but the toe will increase as well. The target will be to get stock toe value (around 0.10) which may be achievable with stock toe bolts.

For track, more negative camber will make you use all the tire in turns, so you can get better heat distribution and even wear at track.



So it is either spending the money on SPL goodies or cheap out with the issue of slipping. I personally, tracked my car with SPL camber arm and SPC toe bolt, it was holding the alignment (but I was maxing the setting out).
__________________
2010 370Z Touring Sport Pearl White 6MT Powered by:
Fast Intentions - Motordyne - Stillen - OS Giken - CJ Motorsports - Mishimoto - MCA Suspension - SPL - SuperPRO - RJM - Z1 Motorsport - Zspeed - Volk
My Humble Journals
AlWakRa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 08:45 PM   #49 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: South Orange County, CA
Posts: 885
Drives: 2011 370z Red 6MT
Rep Power: 10656
Eagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond repute
Default

KW V3's aren't even a track coilover. They're too soft from the factory, need to be rebuilt frequently and aren't all they're cracked up to be for the 370z.

I know you said you don't want BC but i've got friends tracking those on 350zs and 370zs with Swift springs and they're pretty happy with them.

Powertrix seem to be a pretty good budget coilover for street and some track use. I have a set of these on my Z31 300ZX.

Also there's a new company with an offering for the 370z called Annex Suspension. They actually rode with me in my 370z equipped with Mines Ohlins ESTA coilovers to get a feel for them so that they could engineer some of that into their design.

I know both the owners behind these two companies and the design/engineering philosophy behind their products. I highly recommend either of them as a budget coil over.

Stay away from Megan, Godspeed, Tein, KW and HKS, the feedback i've gotten from people about those are usually around quality, adjustability and a poor ride.
JARblue, Rusty, Hotrodz and 2 others like this.
__________________

nismo| EVO-R High Wing | Stillen Gen 3 CAI | SEIBON TS Hood | Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler | VMR 810 Wheels | Endless MX72 Pads |Sabelt GT-140 Seat |Fly1Motorsports RS1 Fenders | Hotchkis Front Sway Bar | Berk HFC |

Last edited by Eagle; 05-06-2019 at 08:56 PM.
Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 09:15 PM   #50 (permalink)
Ronin Samurai - Assassin
 
Rusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky
Age: 68
Posts: 35,191
Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M
Rep Power: 2684437
Rusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond repute
Talking

4 way JRZ. Step up, and be a Baller. $$$$$$
Eagle, Hotrodz and Steeles350 like this.
__________________

浪人 - 殺し屋
"The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only"
http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html
Rusty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 12:25 AM   #51 (permalink)
Base Member
 
SPDKING's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 199
Drives: 14' Nissan 370Z SP
Rep Power: 1998
SPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
KW V3's aren't even a track coilover. They're too soft from the factory, need to be rebuilt frequently and aren't all they're cracked up to be for the 370z.

I know you said you don't want BC but i've got friends tracking those on 350zs and 370zs with Swift springs and they're pretty happy with them.

Powertrix seem to be a pretty good budget coilover for street and some track use. I have a set of these on my Z31 300ZX.

Also there's a new company with an offering for the 370z called Annex Suspension. They actually rode with me in my 370z equipped with Mines Ohlins ESTA coilovers to get a feel for them so that they could engineer some of that into their design.

I know both the owners behind these two companies and the design/engineering philosophy behind their products. I highly recommend either of them as a budget coil over.

Stay away from Megan, Godspeed, Tein, KW and HKS, the feedback i've gotten from people about those are usually around quality, adjustability and a poor ride.
Annex is a new one. How was the ride? I do like how they do the dyno testing like the others, it shows they are actually putting in the work in testing to get a desired result.
Eagle likes this.
__________________
Stillen front and rear sway bars/Continental Extreme Tires/Annex Suspension Coilovers/Z1 Oil Cooler/Borla Catback Exhaust/K&N Drop in filters/SPL
SPDKING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 01:15 AM   #52 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: South Orange County, CA
Posts: 885
Drives: 2011 370z Red 6MT
Rep Power: 10656
Eagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SPDKING View Post
Annex is a new one. How was the ride? I do like how they do the dyno testing like the others, it shows they are actually putting in the work in testing to get a desired result.
I havent personally been in a car with those coilovers but yeah they put a lot of work into dyno and road testing them. The head engineer really was going for an Ohlins like feel, best way I can describe it is compliant and pleasant on the streets and highways and stiff but in command in the twisties.

Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
__________________

nismo| EVO-R High Wing | Stillen Gen 3 CAI | SEIBON TS Hood | Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler | VMR 810 Wheels | Endless MX72 Pads |Sabelt GT-140 Seat |Fly1Motorsports RS1 Fenders | Hotchkis Front Sway Bar | Berk HFC |
Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 02:21 PM   #53 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Ct
Age: 60
Posts: 42
Drives: 2018 nismo tec
Rep Power: 7
Jv01jv01 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
I havent personally been in a car with those coilovers but yeah they put a lot of work into dyno and road testing them. The head engineer really was going for an Ohlins like feel, best way I can describe it is compliant and pleasant on the streets and highways and stiff but in command in the twisties.

Sent from my SM-G930P using Tapatalk
Not to be a drag to help op we need 1st hand experience with each coil over there are so many rumors and people bad mouthing certain brands for different reasons. I have personally had ,Megan cheap ones and there double adjustable ones,stance, kw v3, I’ve driven 370z with tein monoflex which are different from tein cheap line which is made in China and there monoflex comes from japan yes a little more money but those ride the nicest from the ones listed. the cheap by and the cheap Megan’s are the same body’s from a different company if you notice all the basic 1k coilovers all have 32 clicks those are all just diff colors of the same body. I’ll have to find the old info on shocks. It’s like girls you’re friend did not like her but you date here next month and you think she the best thing going. So there is a guy that races a gt3 12k for his shocks they get rebuilt twice a season there are people get a few years out of them you can go on and on not trying to start a war but we need consistent info and not here say . Jv
SPDKING likes this.
Jv01jv01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 03:47 PM   #54 (permalink)
Track Member
 
Eagle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: South Orange County, CA
Posts: 885
Drives: 2011 370z Red 6MT
Rep Power: 10656
Eagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond reputeEagle has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jv01jv01 View Post
Not to be a drag to help op we need 1st hand experience with each coil over there are so many rumors and people bad mouthing certain brands for different reasons. I have personally had ,Megan cheap ones and there double adjustable ones,stance, kw v3, I’ve driven 370z with tein monoflex which are different from tein cheap line which is made in China and there monoflex comes from japan yes a little more money but those ride the nicest from the ones listed. the cheap by and the cheap Megan’s are the same body’s from a different company if you notice all the basic 1k coilovers all have 32 clicks those are all just diff colors of the same body. I’ll have to find the old info on shocks. It’s like girls you’re friend did not like her but you date here next month and you think she the best thing going. So there is a guy that races a gt3 12k for his shocks they get rebuilt twice a season there are people get a few years out of them you can go on and on not trying to start a war but we need consistent info and not here say . Jv
lmao not trying to start a war.

It's not hearsay (heresay according to you) when you have a FIA Bronze driver, 2012 Sony Playstation GT Academy Winner and Nissan driver giving you this feedback. Along with the feedback from an established grassroots motorsports program that revolves around Nissans, data acquired across the Z32, Z33, Z34 and R35 platforms. What else ya got?

You like Tein Monoflexes...odd flex but ok.
JARblue, Chuck33079, Rusty and 5 others like this.
__________________

nismo| EVO-R High Wing | Stillen Gen 3 CAI | SEIBON TS Hood | Z1 34 Row Oil Cooler | VMR 810 Wheels | Endless MX72 Pads |Sabelt GT-140 Seat |Fly1Motorsports RS1 Fenders | Hotchkis Front Sway Bar | Berk HFC |

Last edited by Eagle; 05-07-2019 at 03:49 PM.
Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 04:47 PM   #55 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 3,231
Drives: 15 370Z Nismo 6MT
Rep Power: 214100
OptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond reputeOptionZero has a reputation beyond repute
Default

There really are only like 4 places that make coilover components. They're contracted by a billion different brands to make coilovers, and how "good" each brand's stuff is may vary based on the contracts in place
SPDKING likes this.
__________________
OptionZero Build Thread
OptionZero is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 05:23 PM   #56 (permalink)
Base Member
 
SPDKING's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 199
Drives: 14' Nissan 370Z SP
Rep Power: 1998
SPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OptionZero View Post
There really are only like 4 places that make coilover components. They're contracted by a billion different brands to make coilovers, and how "good" each brand's stuff is may vary based on the contracts in place
Who are those 4 places?
__________________
Stillen front and rear sway bars/Continental Extreme Tires/Annex Suspension Coilovers/Z1 Oil Cooler/Borla Catback Exhaust/K&N Drop in filters/SPL
SPDKING is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 07:58 PM   #57 (permalink)
Track Member
 
AlWakRa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Qatar
Posts: 600
Drives: 10 370Z PW 6MT
Rep Power: 13450
AlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond reputeAlWakRa has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Locally, Tein has a great reputation, everybody are getting them, I wouldn't say they are bad, they are good for what they are, I tried a brz with flex Z and it was much better than stock, but I could attribute it to the soft stock suspension (which is good with stock tires, but when you jump to high grip tires, you start feel they are not up to the task). The Z on the other hand, has a very well engineered suspension and good with grippy tires if you have front negative camber.


But as I said in my first response, Valving is more important than spring rates, and for that, you need a reputable custom coilovers shop. Personally, I went with MCA suspension, an Australian company, they have a big reputation there, I am very amazed with the quality and how they ride in street, although I feel the rear is softer than what I would like in track (but their customer service is good and we are talking to see what we can change in the setup), but cannot complain in street, I was going to remove my AC to make it full fledged track car, but now I think it is very streetable and wouldn't go that route.
Rusty and SPDKING like this.
__________________
2010 370Z Touring Sport Pearl White 6MT Powered by:
Fast Intentions - Motordyne - Stillen - OS Giken - CJ Motorsports - Mishimoto - MCA Suspension - SPL - SuperPRO - RJM - Z1 Motorsport - Zspeed - Volk
My Humble Journals
AlWakRa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 08:46 PM   #58 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Ct
Age: 60
Posts: 42
Drives: 2018 nismo tec
Rep Power: 7
Jv01jv01 is on a distinguished road
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
lmao not trying to start a war.

It's not hearsay (heresay according to you) when you have a FIA Bronze driver, 2012 Sony Playstation GT Academy Winner and Nissan driver giving you this feedback. Along with the feedback from an established grassroots motorsports program that revolves around Nissans, data acquired across the Z32, Z33, Z34 and R35 platforms. What else ya got?

You like Tein Monoflexes...odd flex but ok.
I have 18 nismo stock susp, front bar. I driven my friends 2010 z with tein monoflex same setup as z1 motor sports spring rate I think are like 14/10 they rode the softest on the street out of all the others that I have drivien.so I can say what it-feels like not what somebody told me it feels like just saying . All others that I listed were on my other race cars. What do you got play station champ
SPDKING likes this.

Last edited by Jv01jv01; 05-07-2019 at 08:51 PM.
Jv01jv01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 10:03 PM   #59 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
redondoaveb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: So. Commiefornia
Posts: 6,361
Drives: 2014 Nismo Gunmetal
Rep Power: 2684374
redondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond reputeredondoaveb has a reputation beyond repute
Default

What about RS-R Sports i's? Any feedback?
Eagle and Hotrodz like this.
__________________
Fast Intentions "Stage Seb" twin turbo #098- Specialty Z/Tial-Xonarotor/CJM/Ecutek/HKS/KW/SPL/Hotchkis/Rohana/Toyo
700+whp
redondoaveb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 10:10 PM   #60 (permalink)
Base Member
 
SPDKING's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 199
Drives: 14' Nissan 370Z SP
Rep Power: 1998
SPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond reputeSPDKING has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by redondoaveb View Post
What about RS-R Sports i's? Any feedback?
Haha Alex actually recommended those
__________________
Stillen front and rear sway bars/Continental Extreme Tires/Annex Suspension Coilovers/Z1 Oil Cooler/Borla Catback Exhaust/K&N Drop in filters/SPL
SPDKING is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Greddy Turbo TI-C or Greddy Spectrum Elite? Andy124 Intake/Exhaust 32 06-05-2011 03:34 PM
Greddy Tuner Turbo Kit - limited time special! - FREE Ti-C Greddy turbo exhaust! GT Motoring Forced Induction 2 07-17-2010 06:57 AM
Z competitors....what about old? Dr. JD Nissan 370Z General Discussions 14 06-23-2010 02:44 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:09 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2