Track Pad material help?!

osbornsm · 02-05-2018, 05:54 AM

Hello all,

Looking to see what i can do to solve my rotor-temp issues.

I run Carbotech XP8 pads on all 4 corners of my 370z when @ the track.
My tires are R888R track compounds.

With the XP8, i can engage ABS at the bottom of the pedal. Also my rotor temperatures after a cool-down lap are about 700F.

Question
Would an upgrade to XP10 compound (higher temp) assist with LESS heat into the system over time?
- OR: would the higher temp compound create more peak heat thereby raising the average rotor temp?

Rusty · 02-05-2018, 03:04 PM

Couple of things.

You need more brake cooling. Bigger hoses, run a couple of hoses.

With the higher temps. You need pads that operate at those temps.

BGTV8 · 02-05-2018, 05:42 PM

What Rusty said ............

Is all about cooling ......... if you need to consider 3" cooling hoses fed from the front of the car. If you already have that, then look to fit a pair of 3" hoses

Hotrodz · 02-05-2018, 08:28 PM

So far I have been good with the Stillen brake duct system with xp10s up front and titanium braking plates. I'm considering a bigger hose as my speed is increasing with experience.

2011 Nismo#91 · 02-06-2018, 09:00 AM

Pad material really won't make a difference for your case in how hot your rotors get. The more time you're on the gas, the faster you go, the hotter the brakes get. Two piece rotors are great because they are lighter (less mass) but cause higher temps because change in Temp=Energy/Mass. But generally lighter rotors are are better because you can always increase cooling to offset the heating effect as Rusty said above.

But if your rotors are surviving and your not getting fade I don't see an issue. But I and a number of others run XP10F and XP8R or even 12/10.

Jhill · 02-08-2018, 04:53 AM

Well I’m only group b (and just recently) with a 2013 so no stillen brake duct option. I use xp10/xp8 with zero brake issues (again still new) and also I’ve only been to leguna so mild weather vs buttonwillow or thunder hill but my last track day I had a really awesome instructor (raced formula fords and other stuff through his career) who had me focus much more on braking and smoother braking. I could see after my runs the brakes were not nearly as hot as my track day before but I’m still frustrated with the Harry’s app so I can’t say what was truly faster.

NLZN · 02-16-2018, 02:24 PM

Getting Harry's set up was the worst experience in the world. I switched to RaceChrono and haven't looked back.

Jhill · 02-16-2018, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLZN

Getting Harry's set up was the worst experience in the world. I switched to RaceChrono and haven't looked back.

Is this a new app? I have an event coming up march 3 and really want to get this whole damn gopro, kiwi, timer overlay thing working for once.

NLZN · 02-16-2018, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jhill

Is this a new app? I have an event coming up march 3 and really want to get this whole damn gopro, kiwi, timer overlay thing working for once.

I used it all last season of autoX. This is conjunction with a obdlink lx, gopro3 silver and a dual gps puck. The gropro is mic'd to my exhaust.

Here's with the stock overlay:

https://youtu.be/mXkn6fDdwJQ

Keep in mind the OBD bus on the e36 is slow, i think it's 5hz so the return can be laggy on the numbers.

Jhill · 02-16-2018, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLZN

I used it all last season of autoX. This is conjunction with a obdlink lx, gopro3 silver and a dual gps puck. The gropro is mic'd to my exhaust.

Here's with the stock overlay:

https://youtu.be/mXkn6fDdwJQ

Keep in mind the OBD bus on the e36 is slow, i think it's 5hz so the return can be laggy on the numbers.

Cool I will give it a go. Cheaper the Harry’s too even though I already have Harry’s. Will phone gps work?

NLZN · 02-16-2018, 11:38 PM

I'm sure it will, I already had the GPS puck so there was no use not to use it

bigaudiofanat · 02-21-2018, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

Pad material really won't make a difference for your case in how hot your rotors get. The more time you're on the gas, the faster you go, the hotter the brakes get. Two piece rotors are great because they are lighter (less mass) but cause higher temps because change in Temp=Energy/Mass. But generally lighter rotors are are better because you can always increase cooling to offset the heating effect as Rusty said above.

But if your rotors are surviving and your not getting fade I don't see an issue. But I and a number of others run XP10F and XP8R or even 12/10.

This guy knows his stuff. I've been scared straight on track runs with him.

SS_Firehawk · 02-21-2018, 10:46 AM

I'm doing 10/8's with brake duct cooling on stock discs and its a a world of difference in confidence that my brakes will last a 30 minute session. I'd recommend a 12/10 only if you're running a really aggressive tire. If you get too aggressive on pads and not enough tire, you risk your abs going into ice mode.

Rusty · 02-21-2018, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

I'm doing 10/8's with brake duct cooling on stock discs and its a a world of difference in confidence that my brakes will last a 30 minute session. I'd recommend a 12/10 only if you're running a really aggressive tire. If you get too aggressive on pads and not enough tire, you risk your abs going into ice mode.

The more aggressive the pads, the more grip you need from the tires.

Hotrodz · 02-21-2018, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

The more aggressive the pads, the more grip you need from the tires.

I don't think you would need anymore than what has been recommended unless you are running a true racing tire like Hoosiers.

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02-05-2018, 05:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
osbornsm A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: WHAT Posts: 2,551 Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Rep Power: 424	Track Pad material help?! Hello all, Looking to see what i can do to solve my rotor-temp issues. I run Carbotech XP8 pads on all 4 corners of my 370z when @ the track. My tires are R888R track compounds. With the XP8, i can engage ABS at the bottom of the pedal. Also my rotor temperatures after a cool-down lap are about 700F. Question Would an upgrade to XP10 compound (higher temp) assist with LESS heat into the system over time? - OR: would the higher temp compound create more peak heat thereby raising the average rotor temp? __________________ 2018 Camaro SS 1LE (455hp) - 2011 Nissan 370z (333hp) - 2004 VW R32 (240hp) - 2000 Civic Si (160hp)

02-05-2018, 03:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,185 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684437	Couple of things. You need more brake cooling. Bigger hoses, run a couple of hoses. With the higher temps. You need pads that operate at those temps. Hotrodz and Spooler like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

02-05-2018, 05:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
BGTV8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: 03350 Australia Posts: 1,514 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6 Rep Power: 39973	What Rusty said ............ Is all about cooling ......... if you need to consider 3" cooling hoses fed from the front of the car. If you already have that, then look to fit a pair of 3" hoses Rusty, Hotrodz, Spooler and 1 others like this.

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	So far I have been good with the Stillen brake duct system with xp10s up front and titanium braking plates. I'm considering a bigger hose as my speed is increasing with experience. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

02-06-2018, 09:00 AM	#5 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,400 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40569	Pad material really won't make a difference for your case in how hot your rotors get. The more time you're on the gas, the faster you go, the hotter the brakes get. Two piece rotors are great because they are lighter (less mass) but cause higher temps because change in Temp=Energy/Mass. But generally lighter rotors are are better because you can always increase cooling to offset the heating effect as Rusty said above. But if your rotors are surviving and your not getting fade I don't see an issue. But I and a number of others run XP10F and XP8R or even 12/10. bigaudiofanat, osbornsm, SS_Firehawk and 3 others like this. __________________ GTR TT 493Whp/431lbft, Ecutek, Southbend 6puck,Quaife, RPM RollBar 4Point, R888R, JRZ RSPro F(10R/10C) R(10R/6C) 1000f500r inlbs+150inlbs Tender, SPL everywhere.Full Specs

02-08-2018, 04:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
Jhill Track Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: San jose Posts: 854 Drives: 2013 370z sport Rep Power: 3384	Well I’m only group b (and just recently) with a 2013 so no stillen brake duct option. I use xp10/xp8 with zero brake issues (again still new) and also I’ve only been to leguna so mild weather vs buttonwillow or thunder hill but my last track day I had a really awesome instructor (raced formula fords and other stuff through his career) who had me focus much more on braking and smoother braking. I could see after my runs the brakes were not nearly as hot as my track day before but I’m still frustrated with the Harry’s app so I can’t say what was truly faster.

02-16-2018, 02:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
NLZN Base Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Kentucky Posts: 53 Drives: 09 370z Sport Rep Power: 7	Getting Harry's set up was the worst experience in the world. I switched to RaceChrono and haven't looked back. 2011 Nismo#91 and Rusty like this.

02-16-2018, 11:38 PM	#11 (permalink)
NLZN Base Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Kentucky Posts: 53 Drives: 09 370z Sport Rep Power: 7	I'm sure it will, I already had the GPS puck so there was no use not to use it

02-21-2018, 10:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7335	I'm doing 10/8's with brake duct cooling on stock discs and its a a world of difference in confidence that my brakes will last a 30 minute session. I'd recommend a 12/10 only if you're running a really aggressive tire. If you get too aggressive on pads and not enough tire, you risk your abs going into ice mode. Rusty, Hotrodz and KapitalZ like this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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