D2 Coilovers

Hotrodz · 09-25-2017, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MaysEffect

Lol what.......

What, what, what get out the way bitch...lol!

Not all spring at the same spring rate ride or rebound the same. So that being said it is my opinion that Swifts ride softer. You may think differently and that is okay.

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MaysEffect · 09-25-2017, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

What, what, what get out the way bitch...lol!

Not all spring at the same spring rate ride or rebound the same. So that being said it is my opinion that Swifts ride softer. You may think differently and that is okay.

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That's not even remotely considerable as there are too many forces acting upon the suspension to isolate this principle alone. If each spring measures the same amount of force at a given compression level, then you can't logically guesstimate with your *** (literally speaking) that one may be softer or stiffer. Certainly when you have a damper added to the equation. There is no way you'd possibly discern a difference in rebound and compression between 2 springs accurately measured at a specific value. Either one or the other is wrong by several ibs/in or the spring is damaged. Either that or the damper settings are not equal per suspension setup.

Hotrodz · 09-25-2017, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MaysEffect

That's not even remotely considerable as there are too many forces acting upon the suspension to isolate this principle alone. If each spring measures the same amount of force at a given compression level, then you can't logically guesstimate with your *** (literally speaking) that one may be softer or stiffer. Certainly when you have a damper added to the equation. There is no way you'd possibly discern a difference in rebound and compression between 2 springs accurately measured at a specific value. Either one or the other is wrong by several ibs/in or then spring is damaged. Either thay or the damper settings are not equal per suspension setup.

You crack me up, I guess all spring then are created equal and there no difference between Swifts or any other spring. I will agree that all springs are equal as far the rating of 10k or 8k or whatever, however I must be all wet in thinking that springs would respond differently based on the materials they are made of or the thickness of the spring or how tightly the sping was spun.

Oh and I have a very sensitive butt!

Rusty · 09-25-2017, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

You crack me up, I guess all spring then are created equal and there no difference between Swifts or any other spring. I will agree that all springs are equal as far the rating of 10k or 8k or whatever, however I must be all wet in thinking that springs would respond differently based on the materials they are made of or the thickness of the spring or how tightly the sping was spun.

Oh and I have a very sensitive butt!

You do have a point. Springs may be rated the same. But due to differences in alloy, coil spacing, coil diameter, spring diameter, wire diameter. May rebound differently. They will take the same amount of weight to compress. But to rebound could be different.

Hotrodz · 09-25-2017, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

You do have a point. Springs may be rated the same. But due to differences in alloy, coil spacing, coil diameter, spring diameter, wire diameter. May rebound differently. They will take the same amount of weight to compress. But to rebound could be different.

My point exactly!

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MaysEffect · 09-25-2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

You crack me up, I guess all spring then are created equal and there no difference between Swifts or any other spring. I will agree that all springs are equal as far the rating of 10k or 8k or whatever, however I must be all wet in thinking that springs would respond differently based on the materials they are made of or the thickness of the spring or how tightly the sping was spun.

Oh and I have a very sensitive butt!

Are you guessing or do you know forsure these factors are different? All of those factors come into play to create the spring rate. So more times than not the dimensions are extremely close for any given diameter and length per rate measured. In the case where materials are different, the force acting upon it should be linear in both rebound and compression, if not, this goes back to what i said about damaged. Noticing a difference between a 10kg x 5 inch eibach or swift would mean one or the other does not truly hold its rate in linear fashion. There have been no recent test that show swift springs falling short of its rates. i doubt the rates and lengths are actually the same if you are saying you've determined a noticeable difference with these absolute back to back test. In any case, why would you even make this change? Unless you actually damaged your springs or dampers.

Rusty · 09-26-2017, 01:15 AM

Good article on springs.

https://landrumspring.com/technical/...l-information/

Hotrodz · 09-26-2017, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MaysEffect

Are you guessing or do you know forsure these factors are different? All of those factors come into play to create the spring rate. So more times than not the dimensions are extremely close for any given diameter and length per rate measured. In the case where materials are different, the force acting upon it should be linear in both rebound and compression, if not, this goes back to what i said about damaged. Noticing a difference between a 10kg x 5 inch eibach or swift would mean one or the other does not truly hold its rate in linear fashion. There have been no recent test that show swift springs falling short of its rates. i doubt the rates and lengths are actually the same if you are saying you've determined a noticeable difference with these absolute back to back test. In any case, why would you even make this change? Unless you actually damaged your springs or dampers.

Mr. Mays, do believe the article Rusty provided is evidence enough for the statements I made. I find it curious that you are the one emphatically stated that my opinion was wrong and that my assumptions were a wild a$$ guess. You challenge me with your own loose facts and opinions by stringing a line bs that sounds reasonable but lacks depth and accuracy. Then you try to make your point by trying make me provide information that you don't have to back your own statements. My opinions are my own based on my knowledge, experience, observation, research and conversations with others and yes I am sometimes wrong and I glad for those that correct me in a respectful tone or not.

As I was once told it doesn't cost anything to be nice!

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B&W_Evader · 09-26-2017, 09:30 AM

Time to take a chill pill. Lets all get all juiced up about who's right on springs.

LOL

B&W_Evader · 09-26-2017, 09:40 AM

Good spring story I want to share... Had a 66 ElCamino that had been lowered by torching the springs and letting them sag. Oki lowering job. I did the oki thing to bring them back to stock. I heated them up and bent them back into shape. Then I quenched them to get the temper back in them. One of them tipped over on the driveway and broke in half. I was "Oh ****, WTF" and figured I should have probably annealed them instead of quenching. So.. in true oki fashion, I welded the spring back together using a coat hanger as welding rod and annealed it with the torch. I have no idea how long it lasted since I sold the car shortly thereafter.

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 69 Posts: 35,356 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	Good article on springs. https://landrumspring.com/technical/...l-information/ Hotrodz and MaysEffect like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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B&W_Evader Track Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA Posts: 972 Drives: slower than before Rep Power: 387	Time to take a chill pill. Lets all get all juiced up about who's right on springs. LOL __________________ \|RIP\|6spd-sport\|OSG-LSD\|XP8\|RBF600\|Eibach Sways\|RE-71R\|FI-34Row\|Gen3-CAI\|Yaw P.S.\|

09-26-2017, 09:40 AM	#10 (permalink)
B&W_Evader Track Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: CA Posts: 972 Drives: slower than before Rep Power: 387	Good spring story I want to share... Had a 66 ElCamino that had been lowered by torching the springs and letting them sag. Oki lowering job. I did the oki thing to bring them back to stock. I heated them up and bent them back into shape. Then I quenched them to get the temper back in them. One of them tipped over on the driveway and broke in half. I was "Oh ****, WTF" and figured I should have probably annealed them instead of quenching. So.. in true oki fashion, I welded the spring back together using a coat hanger as welding rod and annealed it with the torch. I have no idea how long it lasted since I sold the car shortly thereafter. 2011 Nismo#91, Rusty, Hotrodz and 1 others like this. __________________ \|RIP\|6spd-sport\|OSG-LSD\|XP8\|RBF600\|Eibach Sways\|RE-71R\|FI-34Row\|Gen3-CAI\|Yaw P.S.\|

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