Stiff Front Sway Bar Thoughts

OptionZero

Ok hold on
You’re gonna modify your car for handling

But you’re doing a sway bar and NOT adjustable arms?

This kinda undermines your experience doesn’t it?

Any that gives a **** about the effect of a sway bar should be at least optimizing front camber through alignment

Everyone that does regular track driving here is running around 3 degrees of camber

The stock alignment is WOEFULLY conservative

The reason why a stiff front bar can actually improve front grip is because the front suspension is so soft from the factory it needs the stiffer bar AND camber to stay planted

You’re bringing an amateur setup to this discussion and surprised your experience differs from others?

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AH370Z

No, Who is talking about Track setups? I'm not and the OP asked if the stiff front bar is good for any situation or only track and there are responses like "It's good for any situation when you turn your car hard" I chimed in with my experience focusing on street setup, good street tyres and using a firm setting on my bar no where as stiff as most that get reccomended on here and it seems to have upset the track junkies on here.

I do not need adjustable arms up front, the springs alone got me to -1.5 which was good enough at the time and since adding Koni yellows and replacing all the bushes in the FUCA incuding a double offset for the inner, this has gained me another -0.5 of camber so I am running -2.0 up front which is plenty for my agressive targa tarmac style of driving that I do.

Youtube Targa Tasmania and watch some clips. There is a reason participants are warned to leave their circuit racing mentality at the door. Track and Street racing are completly different and a stiff setup is the last thing you want unless you want to end up in a ditch.

OptionZero

So many ******* things wrong about this post, where do I start?

Street racing isn’t condoned here, and for normal daily driving who gives a **** about sway bar balance? At normal speeds, it doesn’t matter, you aren’t getting groceries any quicker.

A good coilovers setup won’t be “overly stiff” - the whole ******* point of spending money on coilovers to get adjustable height and damping AND better quality springs and dampers which are matched to each other AND YOUR INTENDED DRIVING STYLE. if you don’t know how to pick a good coilovers, there should be a suspension shop or manufacturer competent enough to do it for you

Adjusting camber with bushings and drop springs isn’t adjusting camber at all, you’re just randomly getting whatever spec is the side effect of lowering the car.

An adjustable front arm, specifically the SPL one, isn’t a “stiff setup’, it doesn’t affect stiffness at all. Maybe more feedback front replacing a bushing that may be worn, and going from rubber to metal, but the point is to be able to set your camber or caster to whatever you need.

Furthermore, the original post is from 2017. This thread has very clearly turned in a more track oriented discussion, YOU decided to weigh in with a perspective clearly limited in understanding of how suspension parts work and your own limitations as a driver

If you really think slapping a stiff front bar will suddenly turn your car into a death machin with snap oversteer, you’re just telling us you can’t ******* or are putting your self in suboptimal positions on purpose

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AH370Z

You make too many assumptions, you introduce coilovers into the discussion now while also making the point about my indended driving style. That is all I did in my previous messages which was to share MY experience with MY setup and MY driving style and you and a few others seem to have their knickers all twisted up about it. Now you want to critizise my camber setup. If I have no intention of going beyond -2 for front camber (which I dont) and a drop in spring height got me most of the way there and bushes I was doing anyway(for no other reason other to improve feel) got me the remaining -0.5 I will hapilly take it with money saved.

Oh and you say I am limited in understanding of how suspension parts work? Which you followed up with a dumb statement like Not how it works sorry to say and pretty sure Ive been refering to understeer the whole time.

Again not sure what my setup has to do with this? Am I competing am I? again MY setup suited to MY driving and MY roads, you have no clue about that and the point of the videos was to illustrate that with the type of roads we have down here which are not ideal on a stiff setup.

Your ignorance and attitude is not worth anymore of my time on this discussion. Good day to you.