Stiff Front Sway Bar Thoughts

cv129 · 09-01-2022, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011 Nismo#91

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Jhill · 09-03-2022, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AH370Z

I'm not going to enter into a debate I'm simply highlighting that in my real world experience with one of the best street tyres you can run, a street setup suspension with oem stagger. I have proven that with a whiteline bar on stiffest setting which is no where near as stiff as hotchkis, understeers like a pig. I will go as far as to say if anyone who actually attempted to go around a tight corner in the wet with some speed would surly be off into the ditch or oncoming traffic. Unfortunatly what I see on forums is too much advise that is just regurgitated from what they have read from others and very little from real world experience. I'm not saying you dont have any but if we just focus on the above scenario and setups which most are running it's not ideal in my opinion

I actually did try the stiffest setting front and softest rear with my stillens on a wet track day with stock stagger just to see what everyone is talking about and concluded my original feeling that I do not need a super stiff front bar. front end was so incredibly loose and understeer I instantly put it full soft after 1st session. guess to each their own or maybe if I was squared but I don't see the need for a 200+% increase in the front. the new z1 bars look interesting as its close to the hotchkiss yet allows some adjustment.

Averying · 09-03-2022, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jhill

I actually did try the stiffest setting front and softest rear with my stillens on a wet track day with stock stagger just to see what everyone is talking about and concluded my original feeling that I do not need a super stiff front bar. front end was so incredibly loose and understeer I instantly put it full soft after 1st session. guess to each their own or maybe if I was squared but I don't see the need for a 200+% increase in the front. the new z1 bars look interesting as its close to the hotchkiss yet allows some adjustment.

Yea I def wish my Hotchkis front had some adjustability. Weird that their rear bar has it but not the front

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DarkJak · 09-03-2022, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Averying

Yea I def wish my Hotchkis front had some adjustability. Weird that their rear bar has it but not the front

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The new Z1 front does, with 2 holes:
Front Bar Stiffness (Over Stock)
Hole 1: 114% Increase
Hole 2: 165% Increase

Unsure how it compares to Hotchkis since they do stiffness vs various G's sways, and even though they are both hollow with 35mm OD's, hole placement is a big difference.

Jhill · 09-06-2022, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Averying

Yea I def wish my Hotchkis front had some adjustability. Weird that their rear bar has it but not the front

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Right it’s like you can tune the balance of the car with just one but your doing it in a way that may not be the best idea? Your only able to fix any understeer by making the rear lose mechanical grip sooner rather than being able to let the front grip longer. Having a previous car with only one of the aftermarket bars being adjustable in the set and then having to swap out their non adjustable bar for their other different sized non adjustable bar I made sure I’d have both front and rear be adjustable that way I could try balance the car both ways to see what felt best. IMO they’re a tuning tool so not having any tunability just doesn’t sit right since no two drivers are going to feel the same exact thing.

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