Stiff Front Sway Bar Thoughts

ChopsZ · 06-30-2017, 03:13 PM

So, going with either the Hotchkis or Eibach front bar, what's the pros and cons of each for daily use which may see a track once or twice a year?

Why would I pick one over the other? Price is not a factor.

Rusty · 06-30-2017, 05:04 PM

Depends on how hard you push it on the street.

Hotrodz · 06-30-2017, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ

So, going with either the Hotchkis or Eibach front bar, what's the pros and cons of each for daily use which may see a track once or twice a year?

Why would I pick one over the other? Price is not a factor.

What Rusty said! I ran Eibach on the street and it was a great improvement over my Nismo bar. It was fine for most everything but I did experience with under steer on the Dragon at speed. I switch to a Hotchkis bar because of that experience and because I was going to track the car. It was another step forward. The only understeer I got on the dragon was because I took the corner with too much speed. I don't really see much difference for most driving on the street for the most part. Oh you need to keep the Hotchkis bar greased up...it creaks a lot more than the Eibach if you don't. I love it matched with a square setup at the track...very predictable and little understeer and the right amount of understeer for my driving style.

Driving style should be a consideration as some people like some understeer...I'm not one of them it scares the crap out of me. I rather have my arse hagging out!

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ChopsZ · 06-30-2017, 09:28 PM

Well I'm probably more conservative than some on here, even though I do push the car from time to time. And honestly, I'd rather have no under or over steer.

Hotrodz · 06-30-2017, 09:46 PM

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Well I'm probably more conservative than some on here, even though I do push the car from time to time. And honestly, I'd rather have no under or over steer.

A staggered setup is going to promote understeer. The Hotchkis sway bar will help a lot with that and squaring up will get you where you want to be on the street even with a Eibach front bar.

ChopsZ · 06-30-2017, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

A staggered setup is going to promote understeer. The Hotchkis sway bar will help a lot with that and squaring up will get you where you want to be on the street even with a Eibach front bar.

So short of going with a square setup, going with the Hotchkis is probably the best bet?

Hotrodz · 06-30-2017, 10:07 PM

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So short of going with a square setup, going with the Hotchkis is probably the best bet?

I think you could get pretty close with the Eibach bar too if you run a tire like ps4s or re-11. The deal is your back tires can and will over power your front tires so running a good wide tire up front will help a lot! The other thing is learning how to brake properly so you aren't over driving the car!

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Rusty · 06-30-2017, 10:11 PM

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So short of going with a square setup, going with the Hotchkis is probably the best bet?

Go with both Hotchkis bars. Set the rear on soft and see how you like it. Then set it on hard and try again. With my some what over square set-up. I run the rear bar on soft.

Hotrodz · 06-30-2017, 10:19 PM

I been waiting for to jump in!

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Rusty · 06-30-2017, 10:28 PM

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I been waiting for to jump in!

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Just got back from having dinner with my daughter.

Catching up on the new posts.

ChopsZ · 06-30-2017, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

I think you could get pretty close with the Eibach bar too if you run a tire like ps4s or re-11. The deal is your back tires can and will over power your front tires so running a good wide tire up front will help a lot! The other thing is learning how to brake properly so you aren't over driving the car!

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Originally Posted by Rusty

Go with both Hotchkis bars. Set the rear on soft and see how you like it. Then set it on hard and try again. With my some what over square set-up. I run the rear bar on soft.

Again, this is pretty much street only, and even though I push the car from time to time, I don't push it to the point of the tires losing grip.

This is all just for some spirited driving, and the fact that I'm headed to the "Dragon" in September and didn't want to go there completely stock, hence the recent suspension upgrades out of the clear blue all of a sudden.

The tires are all brand new with only a 3k miles on them, if that, so those aren't getting swapped out anytime soon. And remember, I live in Florida, so 99.9% of the time, the car isn't seeing any kind of wild curves at all, just the occasional on and off ramp. LOL

Rusty · 06-30-2017, 10:52 PM

Sounds like you want to be talked out of one bar into another.

ChopsZ · 07-01-2017, 02:42 PM

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Sounds like you want to be talked out of one bar into another.

No, just giving more details about me and the car, that's all.

They're both priced pretty much the same, so money isn't an issue. I just want to buy once. Not buy one, then a few months later think "well, I should have bought the other one...". I don't like "What if?" scenarios. LOL

This is precisely why I was asking about the pros and cons of going with either bar.

cloudofevil · 07-01-2017, 04:54 PM

I feel like the Eibach bar is enough for the street. My next upgrade will probably be dampers instead of a stiffer bar. Then again I've never ran the Hotchkis.

Rusty · 07-01-2017, 05:45 PM

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No, just giving more details about me and the car, that's all.

They're both priced pretty much the same, so money isn't an issue. I just want to buy once. Not buy one, then a few months later think "well, I should have bought the other one...". I don't like "What if?" scenarios. LOL

This is precisely why I was asking about the pros and cons of going with either bar.

Think you would be happy with either one. At this point. It's splitting hairs. One is better at the track, and the other is not. Think if you plan on a couple of trackdays/hard street. Hotchkis. If not, go with the other one.

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Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,218 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	Depends on how hard you push it on the street. nasm likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

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ChopsZ Track Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Central Florida Age: 49 Posts: 965 Drives: 2016 370Z GM 6MT Rep Power: 2301	Well I'm probably more conservative than some on here, even though I do push the car from time to time. And honestly, I'd rather have no under or over steer. __________________ She's For Sale! PERFORMANCE: Aero Workz \| Akebono \| BC Racing \| EcuTek \| HKS \| MaxBore \| Motordyne \| Nismo \| RJM \| SPL \| StopTech \| Z1 AUDIO: Arc Audio \| Bazooka \| Helix \| Pioneer \| Stereo Integrity

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07-01-2017, 04:54 PM	#29 (permalink)
cloudofevil Base Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: TN Posts: 32 Drives: 2015 370Z sport Rep Power: 8	I feel like the Eibach bar is enough for the street. My next upgrade will probably be dampers instead of a stiffer bar. Then again I've never ran the Hotchkis.

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