Is Moton also AST?

Spooler · 05-31-2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ape Factory

Wow, I ordered my Aragosta Type S directly from Japan through KTS and already have them and will be installing on Monday. I also paid about $1000 less than what Bulletproof had them listed at. Just PM me and I can send you contacts and info. I believe I ordered mine on April 7th.

AST can indeed rebuild these here in the states. All the parts are not 100% the same as what's offered on the AST website. Better or worse? I can't say as I don't have the knowledge to make that determination.

Did you get the pillowball top mounts for the front?

Halfkiddio · 05-11-2016, 12:42 PM

After driving my friends Z on a set of JRZ RS Pro's, they are what my own Z will most likely end up with. Stance Pro Comp 2's are also an option you can look into, and IMO, are better than BC's.

JRZ RS Pros MSRP is $5,665 off Forged Performance's website.

Jhill · 05-11-2016, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio

After driving my friends Z on a set of JRZ RS Pro's, they are what my own Z will most likely end up with. Stance Pro Comp 2's are also an option you can look into, and IMO, are better than BC's.

JRZ RS Pros MSRP is $5,665 off Forged Performance's website.

Yea once they get past 3k I think that is beyond my budget. I'll spend 2k on a fork but that's my main hobby lol. Beside a dual duty car will always be a compromise and I don't think spending 6k on coilovers that will never get truly pushed to the limits because of street tires, street angles, no cage etc etc. if I had a full track car then I could see the point but for me it's not logical.

Never heard of stance, I'll have to look into them all though the name represents an absolutely retarded trend on cars right now so I hope that isn't what they are going for. Only thing that finally made me decide again trying the BC is the min drop is just too low, if I'm going coil over I would rather have a near oem height down to maybe 2in drop that I would seem to think would be the most logical heights for performance focus, not a min 1.5-3 like some of the others.

Just looked them up. Don't think I would go that route, doesn't stick to the Oem rear spring perch. Also sounds like another super low setup. Seems only KW and AST have a min drop in the .5 in range and KW uses proprietary progressive springs. Still think I would go AST.

gomer_110 · 05-11-2016, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhill

Just looked them up. Don't think I would go that route, doesn't stick to the Oem rear spring perch. Also sounds like another super low setup. Seems only KW and AST have a min drop in the .5 in range and KW uses proprietary progressive springs. Still think I would go AST.

Better check your information. Unless they made a big change, AST shocks are true type coilovers in the rear and therefor use a different spring location.

Jhill · 05-11-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

Better check your information. Unless they made a big change, AST shocks are true type coilovers in the rear and therefor use a different spring location.

Hmm thanks for the heads up I thought I saw they used the oem spring location. Well that's a bummer, not sure I like the idea of transferring that load to the shock towers when it wasn't intended to be there. Well **** maybe I'm all out of options and won't change from oem, nothing really matches the criteria I'm after. Maybe just go koni yellows when the oe wears out, I'll get the rebound damping but no corner balancing.

Hotrodz · 05-11-2016, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhill

Hmm thanks for the heads up I thought I saw they used the oem spring location. Well that's a bummer, not sure I like the idea of transferring that load to the shock towers when it wasn't intended to be there. Well **** maybe I'm all out of options and won't change from oem, nothing really matches the criteria I'm after. Maybe just go koni yellows when the oe wears out, I'll get the rebound damping but no corner balancing.

Check out Fortune Auto 500's. Fortune Auto offers custom spring rates and are digressive as well. They will service and rebuild. I have them and they are very nice. I will probably change out my springs when I decide to anything other than drive on the road lol.

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Spooler · 05-11-2016, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jhill

Hmm thanks for the heads up I thought I saw they used the oem spring location. Well that's a bummer, not sure I like the idea of transferring that load to the shock towers when it wasn't intended to be there. Well **** maybe I'm all out of options and won't change from oem, nothing really matches the criteria I'm after. Maybe just go koni yellows when the oe wears out, I'll get the rebound damping but no corner balancing.

Get with Charles @ Powertrix.com. He is close to you and can hook you up. Give him a call. He is very knowledgeable.

GeauxTigers1 · 05-12-2016, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

As far as other things to do at the same time I'd plan on doing front control arms, rear camber and toe arms (assumes using truecoilover setup in rear), eccentric lockout kit for rear arms, stiffer front sway bar, and front sway bar end links. Use SPL for the suspension parts when possible.

As for the rear sway bar, leave it stock.

This is fantastic info! Thanks man, I'll check each of these. i've been reading as well and sounds like numerous people talking about shock bushings being upgraded as well? Also Rear Shock mount reinforcement? I'm curious with the different location than OEM if this has caused any serious headaches on install. I'm taking it to a shop to do so, but I'd rather not have to do some major overhaul if I don't have to.

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio

After driving my friends Z on a set of JRZ RS Pro's, they are what my own Z will most likely end up with. Stance Pro Comp 2's are also an option you can look into, and IMO, are better than BC's.

JRZ RS Pros MSRP is $5,665 off Forged Performance's website.

This is great. I'll need to narrow down my search to comparing AST vs JRZ then. I automatically wrote them off bc the only ones I saw in a quick search were $8k and then another for around $15k.

Halfkiddio · 05-12-2016, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GeauxTigers1

This is fantastic info! Thanks man, I'll check each of these. i've been reading as well and sounds like numerous people talking about shock bushings being upgraded as well? Also Rear Shock mount reinforcement? I'm curious with the different location than OEM if this has caused any serious headaches on install. I'm taking it to a shop to do so, but I'd rather not have to do some major overhaul if I don't have to.

This is great. I'll need to narrow down my search to comparing AST vs JRZ then. I automatically wrote them off bc the only ones I saw in a quick search were $8k and then another for around $15k.

You would benefit from doing the SPL lower shock mount bushing when you go to a true type coilover, but its not required

. There is really no need to brace the shock tower when you switch. Install on a true type coil is about 20 minutes per side, not including taking the spring bucket arm out and replacing it with an adjustable arm.

If you're comparing AST to JRZ, I would go JRZ hands down. AST's dont seem to last long on heavier cars except for the BMW guys. I would be looking at JRZ and MCS if you want something at that level. I will be going with JRZ next year hopefully.

gomer_110 · 05-12-2016, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio

If you're comparing AST to JRZ, I would go JRZ hands down. AST's dont seem to last long on heavier cars except for the BMW guys.

Any actual data to support this? As far as I knew there were only a handful of people to use AST shocks on a 370Z. I don't recall hearing/seeing any complaints about them.

Halfkiddio · 05-12-2016, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

Any actual data to support this? As far as I knew there were only a handful of people to use AST shocks on a 370Z. I don't recall hearing/seeing any complaints about them.

It's from what I remember doing research into them a year or so ago. They didn't have a good longevity record on heavier cars, so I stopped digging into them. Let me do some looking and I will see what I can find again.

Rusty · 05-12-2016, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfkiddio

You would benefit from doing the SPL lower shock mount bushing when you go to a true type coilover, but its not required

. There is really no need to brace the shock tower when you switch. Install on a true type coil is about 20 minutes per side, not including taking the spring bucket arm out and replacing it with an adjustable arm.

If you're comparing AST to JRZ, I would go JRZ hands down. AST's dont seem to last long on heavier cars except for the BMW guys. I would be looking at JRZ and MCS if you want something at that level. I will be going with JRZ next year hopefully.

You won't believe how much bind there is with the stock bushings.

Jhill · 05-12-2016, 01:44 PM

Anyone had any experience with the tein mono flex or other tein? They have a good adjustment range, keep the oem spring location. One of the guys at z1 really likes them on a co workers car and states his stance are too soft but he's going more and more towards track. Makes me a bit worried how firm the tein ride for daily driver crumbling ca roads.

Hotrodz · 05-11-2016, 02:20 PM

Stance is an excellent choice and has nothing to do with jacked up car look.

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Halfkiddio · 05-11-2016, 03:12 PM

Stance does well in the super low group, but they also do extremely well in the higher performance driving with their Pro Comp 2's. Another friend of mine just ordered a set, so I will be waiting for his review of them. But I know they do really well in certain time attack cars, with a couple of them being 370's. They also don't drop the car ridiculously low out of the box, and they are fully adjustable.

On the spring location topic, you can specify the spring rates you want to get the ride quality you're looking for. If you want a smooth ride, you can get softer rates and have them valved accordingly.

KW will no longer re-valve the V3's to a different spring rate since everyone was doing that and not buying their Clubsport coils. They would serve you very well, and they would be a great choice.

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Halfkiddio Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Knoxville Age: 31 Posts: 250 Drives: 09 RAE 370Z Rep Power: 11	After driving my friends Z on a set of JRZ RS Pro's, they are what my own Z will most likely end up with. Stance Pro Comp 2's are also an option you can look into, and IMO, are better than BC's. JRZ RS Pros MSRP is $5,665 off Forged Performance's website. GeauxTigers1 likes this.

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Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	Stance is an excellent choice and has nothing to do with jacked up car look. Sent from my SM-N910P using Tapatalk DarkJak and GeauxTigers1 like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

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Halfkiddio Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Knoxville Age: 31 Posts: 250 Drives: 09 RAE 370Z Rep Power: 11	Stance does well in the super low group, but they also do extremely well in the higher performance driving with their Pro Comp 2's. Another friend of mine just ordered a set, so I will be waiting for his review of them. But I know they do really well in certain time attack cars, with a couple of them being 370's. They also don't drop the car ridiculously low out of the box, and they are fully adjustable. On the spring location topic, you can specify the spring rates you want to get the ride quality you're looking for. If you want a smooth ride, you can get softer rates and have them valved accordingly. KW will no longer re-valve the V3's to a different spring rate since everyone was doing that and not buying their Clubsport coils. They would serve you very well, and they would be a great choice. GeauxTigers1 likes this.

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Jhill Track Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: San jose Posts: 854 Drives: 2013 370z sport Rep Power: 3385	Anyone had any experience with the tein mono flex or other tein? They have a good adjustment range, keep the oem spring location. One of the guys at z1 really likes them on a co workers car and states his stance are too soft but he's going more and more towards track. Makes me a bit worried how firm the tein ride for daily driver crumbling ca roads.