Ming paint protection or X pack or just zaino (please help)

MYZ34 · 10-10-2009, 05:45 AM

yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a 10K car" so the owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection.......

370er · 10-10-2009, 05:50 AM

Ahh okay I get you now... not a bad deal. I can see the dilemma.

MYZ34 · 10-10-2009, 05:52 AM

yeah, sort of in a pain in the *** spot cuse as you know you want to do the best for your car, and since i will be keeping this car for a long period it's even harder

NXTAZEE · 10-10-2009, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34

yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a 10K car" so the owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection.......

Listen to me please, that is a major rip off. $295 for about $5 worth of product is not a good deal. I own and run my own detailing business and can tell you that any good over the counter sealant is better than what they are planning on doing to your car for $295. They were probably laughing as you drove away because they are still making a killing off you even at that price. What type of products are available to you in your area? Let me know and I will help you get a good sealant and you can do it your self for maybe $20.

370er · 10-10-2009, 09:27 PM

NXTAZEE - what product do you use on your car?

NXTAZEE · 10-10-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 370er

NXTAZEE - what product do you use on your car?

It really depends on what the customer wants. Waxes give a nice warm glow and look very glossy and wet, sealants generally protect better with a more candy like appearance. Victoria wax is second to none regardless of price. Optimum car wax, which is actually a sealant, is very nice and easy to apply. Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant is a very nice sealant with good protection. Auto Glym Extra gloss protection is top notch as well. There are others as well, these are just some of the LSP's (last step products) I use. All of these products I have mentioned are ment to be put on a perfectly polished surface, as they do not have abrasives or fillers in them.

MYZ34 · 10-11-2009, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NXTAZEE

It really depends on what the customer wants. Waxes give a nice warm glow and look very glossy and wet, sealants generally protect better with a more candy like appearance. Victoria wax is second to none regardless of price. Optimum car wax, which is actually a sealant, is very nice and easy to apply. Wolfgang deep gloss paint sealant is a very nice sealant with good protection. Auto Glym Extra gloss protection is top notch as well. There are others as well, these are just some of the LSP's (last step products) I use. All of these products I have mentioned are ment to be put on a perfectly polished surface, as they do not have abrasives or fillers in them.

hey, well my car has been clay barred and is very smooth, but thats all i got done to it as yet as i hav'nt made my mind up regarding paint pro, or doing paint sealent myself, the products i can buy range from zaino (which i think would take way too long and would'nt want to stuff up the proceedure) or meguires NXT ?but what else do you use with that? or can you just use that and nothing else? i just want whatever will be best for the car and wont take forever to apply/ has to be done every week..... thanks NXTAZEE

MYZ34 · 10-11-2009, 04:30 AM

hey all i did stumble across this too if anyone is interested: heres 4 from the motor one company:

X-Pack HiGloss Paint Protection
Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine
Self-cleaning titanium dioxide (TiO2) composition oxidises organic compound
Permanent oxidising generator that only needs oxygen, UV light and water to wor
Enhanced with a UV protectant to prevent fading and premature ageing
Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain
salt spray, mould, mildew and road tar
Chemically inert and will not react with contaminants from the environmen
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
NO YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Titanium Enhanced Glaze Guard Paint Protection
Defense Pak's top of the range paint protection
Offers additional protection against bird droppings, acidic fallout and tree sa
100% biodegradable, environmentally friendl
Technically advanced formula contains state of the art titanium
Eliminates the need to wax and polish
Repels road grime making washing easier
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Defense Pak Paint Protection
Protects against fading, oxidisation and discolouratio
Teflon©, Ceramic and Carnauba Wax ensure a tough, "glass-like" finish
Eliminates the need for waxing and polishing
Keeps atmospheric pollutants from attacking paint work
Repels road grime making washing easier
Maintains that "new car" look for longer, increasing resale valu
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Fifth Dimension Concours P4
Delivers extreme durability and hardness
Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine
Non-organic composition - won't break down and contains no silicon
Provides maximum UV protection
Arrests corrosion and oxidisation
Treated surfaces are extremely hydrophobic (water resistant)
Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain
Cannot be broken down by soaps and detergents
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
NO YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

People in the know what you think

NXTAZEE · 10-11-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34

hey all i did stumble across this too if anyone is interested: heres 4 from the motor one company:

X-Pack HiGloss Paint Protection
Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine
Self-cleaning titanium dioxide (TiO2) composition oxidises organic compound
Permanent oxidising generator that only needs oxygen, UV light and water to wor
Enhanced with a UV protectant to prevent fading and premature ageing
Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain
salt spray, mould, mildew and road tar
Chemically inert and will not react with contaminants from the environmen
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
NO YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Titanium Enhanced Glaze Guard Paint Protection
Defense Pak's top of the range paint protection
Offers additional protection against bird droppings, acidic fallout and tree sa
100% biodegradable, environmentally friendl
Technically advanced formula contains state of the art titanium
Eliminates the need to wax and polish
Repels road grime making washing easier
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Defense Pak Paint Protection
Protects against fading, oxidisation and discolouratio
Teflon©, Ceramic and Carnauba Wax ensure a tough, "glass-like" finish
Eliminates the need for waxing and polishing
Keeps atmospheric pollutants from attacking paint work
Repels road grime making washing easier
Maintains that "new car" look for longer, increasing resale valu
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

Fifth Dimension Concours P4
Delivers extreme durability and hardness
Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine
Non-organic composition - won't break down and contains no silicon
Provides maximum UV protection
Arrests corrosion and oxidisation
Treated surfaces are extremely hydrophobic (water resistant)
Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain
Cannot be broken down by soaps and detergents
LIFETIME WARRANTY
to 5 years from build date
NO YEARLY INSPECTION
REQUIRED

People in the know what you think

What part of "IT'S A MAJOR RIP OFF" didn't you understand???
There is "NOTHING" on the market that lasts more than 4-5 months for paint protection. All those packages are a crock of bull s@!#. It's all marketing BS, and a lot of people fall for it. There is nothing that will chemically bond to your cars paint for years. Well there is actually, it's called clear coat, and it's already on your car. What you should do is educate your self about this topic on a reputable detailing site like Detail city or autopia, there is a wealth of info there. As far as the products you mentioned, I would suggest Zaino. It's probably 5 times better than that crap you've mentioned above, seriously. There is nothing wrong with NXT either. You will have to reapply once every couple of months though, depending on how you are washing your car and how often as well. I hope this helps.

MYZ34 · 10-11-2009, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NXTAZEE

What part of "IT'S A MAJOR RIP OFF" There is nothing wrong with NXT either. You will have to reapply once every couple of months though, depending on how you are washing your car and how often as well. I hope this helps.

thanks,NXTAZEE, so if i use the meguires NXT does the car need anything else done to it EG, wax over that coat, polish before, or just a good meguires car wash then apply NXT? it's just that i've heard that people use a wax carnuba after this type of treatment too

NXTAZEE · 10-11-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MYZ34

thanks,NXTAZEE, so if i use the meguires NXT does the car need anything else done to it EG, wax over that coat, polish before, or just a good meguires car wash then apply NXT? it's just that i've heard that people use a wax carnuba after this type of treatment too

If the paint is free of marring then a polish is not needed. Just use the NXT and your done. There is no need to wax over the sealant for a daily driver. Sealants and waxes have solvents in them which act as a carrier so the product is soft or liquid, so it can be spread over the paint. With out a carrier the wax would be rock hard. Now most waxes have very harsh or strong solvents which strip away any previously applied wax or sealant. So it is impossible to layer them. There are a few waxes which do not have these strong solvents and they can be layered. NXT is not one of them. Zaino has some.

yuyu370z · 10-20-2009, 10:32 PM

what people of this products?

Toughseal Australia | 0ffers the finest paint protection for vehicle painted surfaces Paint Protection. The Future of Paint Protection Revolutionary.

do you know much about it NXTAZEE? what is your advices?

nicknick · 10-20-2009, 10:35 PM

Go to Autogeek or autopia websites, learn how to properly wash your car and then learn how to properly wax/seal your car without swirls.

NXTAZEE · 10-20-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yuyu370z

what people of this products?

Toughseal Australia | 0ffers the finest paint protection for vehicle painted surfaces Paint Protection. The Future of Paint Protection Revolutionary.

do you know much about it NXTAZEE? what is your advices?

I have given my advise countless times already in this thread and others. For get about all the bull s@*! marketing products and do some research. If you don't want to research then just use some of the products I have already suggested.

HTP AutoWorks · 10-21-2009, 07:42 AM

Non of these sealants will work in regards to stopping rock chips. Zaino is an exceelent paint sealant but it replaces wax... and does not stop rock chips. If you want to protect your paint get a clear bra. VentureShield Ultra is the way to go. It will protect your paint and lights from rock chips, bug stains, and abrasions. I will tell you it wont stop a wombat or a kangaroo. I lived in Adelaide for two years and found out first hand what can happen driving the roads there.

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10-10-2009, 05:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
MYZ34 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brisbane AUS Posts: 111 Drives: 2009 370z 6spd Rep Power: 16	yeah the main reason was thinking of doing the paint protection route, was i accually stumbled on the motor one (ming) company themselves " the ones that the car dealers send your car too but charge you $450 to $1000 for" so i walked in and explained that i bought a new car from nissan but NOT want nissan to apply the coat of Ming.....and they understood where i was coming from, As nissan is one of their major buyers in their products, but nissan get their OWN detailers to apply the protection! and this is where motor one said most of the problems come from, unexperienced dealers applying this protection.......anyway after some talking to them, i asked them if they delt to the public directly and they said not usaully but i showed them my car and they Understood why i did'nt want nissan to apply it "as they seen it wasn't a 10K car" so the owner said they would be happy to do mine, and for instead of $750 what nissan were asking they would charge me $295 for paint protection.......

10-10-2009, 05:50 AM	#17 (permalink)
370er Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia, VIC Posts: 231 Drives: Yellow 370Z Rep Power: 16	Ahh okay I get you now... not a bad deal. I can see the dilemma.

10-10-2009, 05:52 AM	#18 (permalink)
MYZ34 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brisbane AUS Posts: 111 Drives: 2009 370z 6spd Rep Power: 16	yeah, sort of in a pain in the *** spot cuse as you know you want to do the best for your car, and since i will be keeping this car for a long period it's even harder

10-10-2009, 09:27 PM	#20 (permalink)
370er Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Australia, VIC Posts: 231 Drives: Yellow 370Z Rep Power: 16	NXTAZEE - what product do you use on your car?

10-11-2009, 04:30 AM	#23 (permalink)
MYZ34 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: brisbane AUS Posts: 111 Drives: 2009 370z 6spd Rep Power: 16	hey all i did stumble across this too if anyone is interested: heres 4 from the motor one company: X-Pack HiGloss Paint Protection Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine Self-cleaning titanium dioxide (TiO2) composition oxidises organic compound Permanent oxidising generator that only needs oxygen, UV light and water to wor Enhanced with a UV protectant to prevent fading and premature ageing Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain salt spray, mould, mildew and road tar Chemically inert and will not react with contaminants from the environmen LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date NO YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED Titanium Enhanced Glaze Guard Paint Protection Defense Pak's top of the range paint protection Offers additional protection against bird droppings, acidic fallout and tree sa 100% biodegradable, environmentally friendl Technically advanced formula contains state of the art titanium Eliminates the need to wax and polish Repels road grime making washing easier LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED Defense Pak Paint Protection Protects against fading, oxidisation and discolouratio Teflon©, Ceramic and Carnauba Wax ensure a tough, "glass-like" finish Eliminates the need for waxing and polishing Keeps atmospheric pollutants from attacking paint work Repels road grime making washing easier Maintains that "new car" look for longer, increasing resale valu LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED Fifth Dimension Concours P4 Delivers extreme durability and hardness Provides an outstanding and brilliant shine Non-organic composition - won't break down and contains no silicon Provides maximum UV protection Arrests corrosion and oxidisation Treated surfaces are extremely hydrophobic (water resistant) Provides exceptional stain resistance against bug-splatter, bird and bat poo, acid rain Cannot be broken down by soaps and detergents LIFETIME WARRANTY to 5 years from build date NO YEARLY INSPECTION REQUIRED People in the know what you think

10-20-2009, 10:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
yuyu370z Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: SE Melbourne Posts: 16 Drives: 370z, Titanium, 7AT Rep Power: 16	what people of this products? Toughseal Australia \| 0ffers the finest paint protection for vehicle painted surfaces Paint Protection. The Future of Paint Protection Revolutionary. do you know much about it NXTAZEE? what is your advices?

10-20-2009, 10:35 PM	#28 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 16	Go to Autogeek or autopia websites, learn how to properly wash your car and then learn how to properly wax/seal your car without swirls.

10-21-2009, 07:42 AM	#30 (permalink)
HTP AutoWorks Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: DFW Posts: 124 Drives: G35, Jeep SRT-8 Rep Power: 0	Non of these sealants will work in regards to stopping rock chips. Zaino is an exceelent paint sealant but it replaces wax... and does not stop rock chips. If you want to protect your paint get a clear bra. VentureShield Ultra is the way to go. It will protect your paint and lights from rock chips, bug stains, and abrasions. I will tell you it wont stop a wombat or a kangaroo. I lived in Adelaide for two years and found out first hand what can happen driving the roads there.