Anyone who knows about audio knows NOT to buy Bose... They are poor speakers with good marketing. You could replace them with speakers that cost 1/2 as much and they will perform better... People dont like to hear that, but its the truth.

The point is, a lot of people don't care about accurate music audio in a noisy sports car. To me, it's not even close to being worth it to even just pop a panel and bolt on a replacement speaker, let alone get my credit card out.

Even more reason to not buy Bose then...

I'm talking about upgrading from Bose. Bose came with my car as part of the Touring package w/Nav. I didn't make that buying choice. I'm sure if I were buying aftermarket, I'd buy something else. No interest in doing so. Bose is good enough for me.


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I feel the same way. Like the OP said, he doesnt want to do anything with the car. I'd opt for it, which I did. As for any wannabe "audiophiles", its a noisy car... save that for the home or office.

Ok, I dont think i was originally commenting on your post but to the OP. If it came with our car as part of a package, then who cares. If your going to spend money on it, dont.

I dont understand your logic. You tell him to opt for it but then say its a noisy car? If it costs more, why get it if its a noisy car? Doesnt make sense to me... If anything he should get the Nismo since it doesnt come with the Bose and wont matter since its noisy...

And being accurate has nothing to do with enjoying the sound of your speakers, noisy or not. When a speaker isnt capable of hitting certain ranges, you dont hear how the music is supposed to be since frequencies are not able to be played. Road noise or other noises wont matter in those instances.

The original question was whether to get the base or Bose stereo. IMNSHO, the Bose is worth the extra few bucks. Is it a great system? No. But it's (arguably) better sounding than the base AND it comes with a CD changer.

Yes. Better components, especially speakers, can make a difference in how good the system sounds but, because of the inherent "crappiness" of car acoustics, you quickly reach the point of diminishing returns.

If you can perceive a significant difference between a system with "audiophile-grade" components and one with "pretty good" ones, and are willing to pay for it, then go for it. I'm just saying that most people are wasting their money if they buy great equipment and stick it in a crappy environment. It's like buying a Scarab and putting it in your two-acre farm pond.

YMMV

Yes, i agree but I do not agree that Bose is good in anyway and I dont put it in the 'pretty good" category. Ive seen comparison with "white van speakers" that outperform Bose. To me, comparing the base speakers with Bose is a lateral move and doesnt even make a difference.

With that being said, it seemed to me that the question was whether to pass up a Nismo because it doesnt come with Bose. To me, thats crazy.

I am not an audio person but I also hate bad sound. I got the bose non nav and it sucked so bad I was so dissapointed(very flat sounding but clean). The thought of changing everything made me tired and wonder about the touring package and its value. After, i installed a new headunit with the SOEM-4, the sound was amazing (lack of bass, but very clear even at high levels). I listened to music I didn't even like, just to hear the sound levels and it was crispy. I think after I put a 6" woofer I will be satisfied. If I could do it again, I wouldn't mind the touring package. Just saying.

It's all about perspective. For me, the quality of the speakers in the sound system was an absolutly miniscule component of the value of the Touring package. I can't even conceive of the concept of forgoing the Touring package because of a perceived lack of accurate music reproduction, even if I believed that that was true.

Sorry for the confusion. He was asking about the option of Bose so he doesnt have to do anything to the car... such as, getting an aftermarket system. I and many others feel the same.

Some peeps may not think the Bose is up to their "standards". I say its good enough, and better than stock. Don't need to go all out for a special or more expensive set up if its gonna be a loud environment anyways. Final point, I would say the Bose system its better than stock... which was the question.

Comes with dual subwoofers, auto-dimming mirror (which I hate), Bluetooth (I use everytime), etc. So why not?

Base<Bose<Basic Aftermarket<Mid of the road aftermarket<High end with sound dampening.

Bose will cost just as much basic aftermarket upgrade and sounds worse but saves you the worry of having someone you don't know rummaging through your new car.

If it were me I would save the money for when you are ready to get a real sound system.

The debate about Bose is never ending and no matter the detractors there still a market for them and they are still going strong. Bottom line is they are decent-good for their purposes.

There are many factors going into a system and not always the all ending "quality" of sound. Integration, packaging, price point, ease of use, etc are all factors as much as sound. There will always be compromises. Every vehicle is full of compromises. Agreements between designers and engineers to marketer to distribution must be made. Bose no matter the hate is designed to be "good enough" for the masses while fitting into the structure defined by the manufacturer. Are there better alternative? Absolutely!!! As much as "better" wheels, intake, exhaust, etc. than what's equip on our cars. Even the P1 has compromises, mainly comfort for performance.

All that said is don't knock it just because they are using "paper" cones. It works and that's what it was designed for. Decent sound quality while provide exceptional integration to the system. Is it great? Not to my standard in fact I think it's just okay but it works well enough in the Z for 75% of the time. A noisy environment that demands exceptionally higher db to overcome the environment. Something that the Bose is barely good enough to manage. But it's not bad and when taken into consideration of OEM integration, it is good. I have installed many system and have some serious plans for the Z but seems to be happy enough to not start tearing things apart.

If you don't mind doing some extra work, then I would go aftermarket. That will usually yield better sound. Keep in mind some modification will be necessary and by the time everything is added together (labor, parts, etc) it could be more than you are willing to pay. I'd say go and listen to it and if you're good with that and likes the OEM aspect go with it. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how it's made or what technology is used, how small it is, if the sound is good enough for you, that's all that matters. Your opinion is the only one that matters

He wants a Nismo- with or without "Bose Package" for $1350. Not after market... its just with or without.

Nismo, this is not the Base model which a lot are probably thinking about. Includes auto dim rear mirror w/remotes, 8 speakers and dual subwoofers, satellite and bluetooth all in that price. Yes, $1350 and done.