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Cbtech · 04-21-2013, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

True but it's actually not good to charge your phone in the car, let alone keep it plugged in while playing music.

I have to disagree. That would have been the case 3-4 years ago but most cell phones "remember" their previous charging state. With current technology both the battery and phones operating system regulate the the charging and it doesnt matter how many times you plug and unplug it.

You want to save your battery and wear-and-tear on your phone? shut it off at night. most people dont realize that having their phone on 24/7/365 wears it out.

and to answer the OP's question:
Keep it simple Go with this This

bigaudiofanat · 04-21-2013, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cbtech

I have to disagree. That would have been the case 3-4 years ago but most cell phones "remember" their previous charging state. With current technology both the battery and phones operating system regulate the the charging and it doesnt matter how many times you plug and unplug it.

You want to save your battery and wear-and-tear on your phone? shut it off at night. most people dont realize that having their phone on 24/7/365 wears it out.

and to answer the OP's question:
Keep it simple Go with this This

It actually still is the car with lithium technology today with phones. A lot of people do not realize this. With phone batteries being sensitive to temperatures and higher amp input to them, it can wear out a battery more quickly than a normal OEM charger. Same thing with (electric cars) they do not recommend rapid charging them to many times. Also if you shut down your phone you can actually get a fuller charge than having it on.

Fountainhead · 04-21-2013, 03:08 PM

Guys,

Cell phone batteries are mated specifically to the phone, therefore the phone has a unique regulator/temp sensor/voltage monitor that controls every aspect of the phone's battery. You can't "overcharge" or "overcurrent" the phone battery.

Each battery has a discharge curve, that curve is managed by the battery IC in the phone, there is a maximum that cannot be exceeded.

Each phone also has a charge curve, that curve is also managed by the battery IC in the phone, there also is a maximum that cannot be exceeded. This battery IC also monitors ambient temps and the temp of the battery and will decrease charge current based on battery temperature vs. ambient, a certain rise above ambient will trigger a change in the charge voltage/current curve.

Look at the current rating of the phone charger that is the maximum current the phone will use to charge the battery at the acceptable nominal rate AND run the phone and screen etc., so the user can charge and use simultaneously. The 5V USB voltage is used by the battery manager as follows:

Inside the phone the battery manager system monitors the battery voltage, there are these circuits called a buck and boost, they take the 3.7 volts and by means of a switching supply very efficiently increase/decrease the battery voltage to what ever level the circuitry of the phone requires. Usually the core of the SOC requires about 1.8 volts, other ancillary circuitry requires 3.3, and other parts - the radio transmitter etc., may require more than 5 volts.
What you also cannot do is drain the battery down too far (all phone batteries are 3.7 Volts, and when the voltage of the battery is down to say, 3.1 or 3.2 volts the phone will turn off and the battery is "drained" to the customer but actually the battery is far from dead.

Each Lion/LiPolymer battery has a certain number of full complete charge cycles in is lifetime, when those are exceeded you will notice that the battery may charge but won't last as long, this is because the depth of charge decreases as the charge cycles erode the chemicals in the battery, the chemicals only last so long so after a while the chemical reaction stops at a level below what the phone battery monitor will accept.

Based on my experience, it's not good to leave the phone connected to a charger continuously, the battery seems to decay much faster as the chemicals in the battery cease their reactions and actually build barriers between each other, so I charge my phones during the day and leave them off the charger at night. Conversely, other people charge all night and are off the charger all day. YMMV.

Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted folks to understand charging - the car battery has nothing to do with the phone battery longevity.

Cbtech · 04-21-2013, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fountainhead

Guys,

Cell phone batteries are mated specifically to the phone, therefore the phone has a unique regulator/temp sensor/voltage monitor that controls every aspect of the phone's battery. You can't "overcharge" or "overcurrent" the phone battery.

Each battery has a discharge curve, that curve is managed by the battery IC in the phone, there is a maximum that cannot be exceeded.

Each phone also has a charge curve, that curve is also managed by the battery IC in the phone, there also is a maximum that cannot be exceeded. This battery IC also monitors ambient temps and the temp of the battery and will decrease charge current based on battery temperature vs. ambient, a certain rise above ambient will trigger a change in the charge voltage/current curve.

Look at the current rating of the phone charger that is the maximum current the phone will use to charge the battery at the acceptable nominal rate AND run the phone and screen etc., so the user can charge and use simultaneously. The 5V USB voltage is used by the battery manager as follows:

Inside the phone the battery manager system monitors the battery voltage, there are these circuits called a buck and boost, they take the 3.7 volts and by means of a switching supply very efficiently increase/decrease the battery voltage to what ever level the circuitry of the phone requires. Usually the core of the SOC requires about 1.8 volts, other ancillary circuitry requires 3.3, and other parts - the radio transmitter etc., may require more than 5 volts.
What you also cannot do is drain the battery down too far (all phone batteries are 3.7 Volts, and when the voltage of the battery is down to say, 3.1 or 3.2 volts the phone will turn off and the battery is "drained" to the customer but actually the battery is far from dead.

Each Lion/LiPolymer battery has a certain number of full complete charge cycles in is lifetime, when those are exceeded you will notice that the battery may charge but won't last as long, this is because the depth of charge decreases as the charge cycles erode the chemicals in the battery, the chemicals only last so long so after a while the chemical reaction stops at a level below what the phone battery monitor will accept.

Based on my experience, it's not good to leave the phone connected to a charger continuously, the battery seems to decay much faster as the chemicals in the battery cease their reactions and actually build barriers between each other, so I charge my phones during the day and leave them off the charger at night. Conversely, other people charge all night and are off the charger all day. YMMV.

Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted folks to understand charging - the car battery has nothing to do with the phone battery longevity.

Yeah thats what i said...just yours was awesomer!

but really good info very well said.

bigaudiofanat · 04-22-2013, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fountainhead

Guys,

Cell phone batteries are mated specifically to the phone, therefore the phone has a unique regulator/temp sensor/voltage monitor that controls every aspect of the phone's battery. You can't "overcharge" or "overcurrent" the phone battery.

Each battery has a discharge curve, that curve is managed by the battery IC in the phone, there is a maximum that cannot be exceeded.

Each phone also has a charge curve, that curve is also managed by the battery IC in the phone, there also is a maximum that cannot be exceeded. This battery IC also monitors ambient temps and the temp of the battery and will decrease charge current based on battery temperature vs. ambient, a certain rise above ambient will trigger a change in the charge voltage/current curve.

Look at the current rating of the phone charger that is the maximum current the phone will use to charge the battery at the acceptable nominal rate AND run the phone and screen etc., so the user can charge and use simultaneously. The 5V USB voltage is used by the battery manager as follows:

Inside the phone the battery manager system monitors the battery voltage, there are these circuits called a buck and boost, they take the 3.7 volts and by means of a switching supply very efficiently increase/decrease the battery voltage to what ever level the circuitry of the phone requires. Usually the core of the SOC requires about 1.8 volts, other ancillary circuitry requires 3.3, and other parts - the radio transmitter etc., may require more than 5 volts.
What you also cannot do is drain the battery down too far (all phone batteries are 3.7 Volts, and when the voltage of the battery is down to say, 3.1 or 3.2 volts the phone will turn off and the battery is "drained" to the customer but actually the battery is far from dead.

Each Lion/LiPolymer battery has a certain number of full complete charge cycles in is lifetime, when those are exceeded you will notice that the battery may charge but won't last as long, this is because the depth of charge decreases as the charge cycles erode the chemicals in the battery, the chemicals only last so long so after a while the chemical reaction stops at a level below what the phone battery monitor will accept.

Based on my experience, it's not good to leave the phone connected to a charger continuously, the battery seems to decay much faster as the chemicals in the battery cease their reactions and actually build barriers between each other, so I charge my phones during the day and leave them off the charger at night. Conversely, other people charge all night and are off the charger all day. YMMV.

Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted folks to understand charging - the car battery has nothing to do with the phone battery longevity.

I understand completely what you are saying however from past experiences with multiple phones in different conditions along with articles read. I stand by using a car charger is a last resort. especially the (rapid chargers)

Fountainhead · 04-22-2013, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

I understand completely what you are saying however from past experiences with multiple phones in different conditions along with articles read. I stand by using a car charger is a last resort. especially the (rapid chargers)

Hi BAF,
Never use a cheap Wal-Mart or Pep Boys charger with a phone either in home or auto. When I buy a 12V to USB 5V convertor I always load it with the rated load (1A rated then I put 5 ohms across) and then measure the voltage under load. I also measure the voltage no load, which is important too. I wouldn't use an adapter that has a no load voltage over 5.25 V, and a loaded voltage below 4.75V. Those voltages are upper and lower limit of USB 2.0 standard, which governs the design of all USB chargers which output 5V.

I use car chargers all the time but I make sure they are name brand and tested by me. If they fail the tests above then I fix them, but if they are cheap Chinese knock offs I don't even bother.
I'm an electrical engineer and I design things to do with audio, car stereo, power supplies, etc.

bigaudiofanat · 04-22-2013, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fountainhead

Hi BAF,
Never use a cheap Wal-Mart or Pep Boys charger with a phone either in home or auto. When I buy a 12V to USB 5V convertor I always load it with the rated load (1A rated then I put 5 ohms across) and then measure the voltage under load. I also measure the voltage no load, which is important too. I wouldn't use an adapter that has a no load voltage over 5.25 V, and a loaded voltage below 4.75V. Those voltages are upper and lower limit of USB 2.0 standard, which governs the design of all USB chargers which output 5V.

I use car chargers all the time but I make sure they are name brand and tested by me. If they fail the tests above then I fix them, but if they are cheap Chinese knock offs I don't even bother.
I'm an electrical engineer and I design things to do with audio, car stereo, power supplies, etc.

I have only used verizon, Motorola, and LG car chargers before.

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Fountainhead Track Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: FL Posts: 834 Drives: 2019 Civic Type R Rep Power: 15	Guys, Cell phone batteries are mated specifically to the phone, therefore the phone has a unique regulator/temp sensor/voltage monitor that controls every aspect of the phone's battery. You can't "overcharge" or "overcurrent" the phone battery. Each battery has a discharge curve, that curve is managed by the battery IC in the phone, there is a maximum that cannot be exceeded. Each phone also has a charge curve, that curve is also managed by the battery IC in the phone, there also is a maximum that cannot be exceeded. This battery IC also monitors ambient temps and the temp of the battery and will decrease charge current based on battery temperature vs. ambient, a certain rise above ambient will trigger a change in the charge voltage/current curve. Look at the current rating of the phone charger that is the maximum current the phone will use to charge the battery at the acceptable nominal rate AND run the phone and screen etc., so the user can charge and use simultaneously. The 5V USB voltage is used by the battery manager as follows: Inside the phone the battery manager system monitors the battery voltage, there are these circuits called a buck and boost, they take the 3.7 volts and by means of a switching supply very efficiently increase/decrease the battery voltage to what ever level the circuitry of the phone requires. Usually the core of the SOC requires about 1.8 volts, other ancillary circuitry requires 3.3, and other parts - the radio transmitter etc., may require more than 5 volts. What you also cannot do is drain the battery down too far (all phone batteries are 3.7 Volts, and when the voltage of the battery is down to say, 3.1 or 3.2 volts the phone will turn off and the battery is "drained" to the customer but actually the battery is far from dead. Each Lion/LiPolymer battery has a certain number of full complete charge cycles in is lifetime, when those are exceeded you will notice that the battery may charge but won't last as long, this is because the depth of charge decreases as the charge cycles erode the chemicals in the battery, the chemicals only last so long so after a while the chemical reaction stops at a level below what the phone battery monitor will accept. Based on my experience, it's not good to leave the phone connected to a charger continuously, the battery seems to decay much faster as the chemicals in the battery cease their reactions and actually build barriers between each other, so I charge my phones during the day and leave them off the charger at night. Conversely, other people charge all night and are off the charger all day. YMMV. Sorry to be so long winded but I wanted folks to understand charging - the car battery has nothing to do with the phone battery longevity.