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MattP725 01-29-2012 12:46 PM

AXXESS ASWC on Bose Question
 
Below are the pictures of my harness from the factory. I cannot seem to figure out which wires are to be tapped especailly since my colors are different than others have mentioned (or at least in different locations). Can anyone assist me with which wires go where? I looked at the one diagram from another board member but my colors differ.

http://www.the370z.com/members/mattp...121-image.jpeg
http://www.the370z.com/members/mattp...0-image-3.jpeg

bigaudiofanat 01-29-2012 01:43 PM

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/a...s-non-bose.png

I know there are a few threads some sticky and some not that have more info on the bose system and steering wheel controls, they may help you.

BigNate 01-29-2012 02:39 PM

http://contentdocs.installernet.com/...icle/12209.pdf

metra's website is the best resource for dealing with the aswc

MattP725 01-29-2012 02:51 PM

Metra's site is garbage and completely wrong (at least for touring). Even with Big's diagram (which is different than my harness it seems) I can't get any of the wires to recognize. So frustrating.

MattP725 01-29-2012 03:19 PM

We dont HAVE to tap the ground on the harness right? We can use a real grounding point I would assume. I'm using the one off the shifter... I get 7 flashes after it attempts to autoprogram which means it doesn't see any of the wires. I've tried about 4 combinations and multiple resets. At this point I am thinking it would just be easier to run the wires up to the steering wheel directly!

BigNate 01-29-2012 03:38 PM

well what do you currently have connected to what at this point.

MattP725 01-29-2012 03:45 PM

I've tried every combination of the blue or inner white (from first pic) and the grey and black from the second. It is hard to tell but those are on the same half of the harness (top and bottom). The other side is all used for things like the speakers. Also one of hte wires I tapped turned out to be the power lead (realized it after when I checked it against the aftermarket harness). I get flashing from the unit but 7 fast flashes... never once did it stop on any of the LEDs to indicate I had one hooked up properly. I did my best with the service manual and forum help to narrow it down to those 4 (or three now that I realize one is actually the power lead). Not sure where to go from here. I am considering paying a professional to work on it but who knows if they will be of any help.

BigNate 01-29-2012 03:52 PM

your best bet is to ignore the wire colors and count the pins in the harness you will need to use pins 6,15 and 16 with the aswc.

Pin 6 to Gray/Blue on the ASWC
Pin 15 to Ground
Pin 16 to Gray/Red on the ASWC

ive seen countless numbers of cars whose wire colors i know off the top of my head be different from other cars of that same year model. Its not uncommon for manufacurers to vary wire colors amongst same make, model and year of vehicles but the pin number largely always remain the same

MattP725 01-29-2012 05:48 PM

Well you live you learn... found out after reading the Service Manual for 2010s (didn't see it mentioned in the 2009 SM) that the steering communicator goes through the bluetooth module before going to the headunit (even the source/volume/preset buttons). Well as luck would have it I had removed the bluetooth module and XM unit when I installed the pioneer ones. Hooked it back up and everything worked. I'll try jumping the BT harness so I can remove it and use the call buttons with my new deck but atleast the volume and other controls function properly now.

BTW on 2010 tourings I used a white and grey wire. Add that to the list of functioning leads.

Tomboy 01-29-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725 (Post 1515353)
Well you live you learn... found out after reading the Service Manual for 2010s (didn't see it mentioned in the 2009 SM) that the steering communicator goes through the bluetooth module before going to the headunit (even the source/volume/preset buttons). Well as luck would have it I had removed the bluetooth module and XM unit when I installed the pioneer ones. Hooked it back up and everything worked. I'll try jumping the BT harness so I can remove it and use the call buttons with my new deck but atleast the volume and other controls function properly now.

BTW on 2010 tourings I used a white and grey wire. Add that to the list of functioning leads.

Went through allot of hastle too. Unhooking the bluetooth module needs to be the first thing anyone should know. You did say you have a Pioneer Z130BT? Tell me about your install. Are you keeping the Bose amp and speakers? I think you said you had a new XM to put in? Wondering if you are getting any bacground noise at all after all installed? Thanks...
Laurie

MattP725 01-29-2012 07:11 PM

No I have the AVH-P3300BT. No issues at all until the axxess adapter... did you use the correct RCA line out adapter?

It will be this one (thanks Big)
Receiver Wire Harness For select 2007-up Nissan and Subaru vehicles at Crutchfield.com

If you use the regular base harness it won't mesh with the bose which might explain your noise. Mine sounds great.

MattP725 01-29-2012 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomboy (Post 1515482)
Went through allot of hastle too. Unhooking the bluetooth module needs to be the first thing anyone should know. You did say you have a Pioneer Z130BT? Tell me about your install. Are you keeping the Bose amp and speakers? I think you said you had a new XM to put in? Wondering if you are getting any bacground noise at all after all installed? Thanks...
Laurie

Were you guys able to get the phone buttons working and remove the unit? I know there are instructions for jumping the pins on the rear harness. I haven't tried it yet.

BigNate 01-29-2012 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725 (Post 1515353)
Well you live you learn... found out after reading the Service Manual for 2010s (didn't see it mentioned in the 2009 SM) that the steering communicator goes through the bluetooth module before going to the headunit (even the source/volume/preset buttons). Well as luck would have it I had removed the bluetooth module and XM unit when I installed the pioneer ones. Hooked it back up and everything worked. I'll try jumping the BT harness so I can remove it and use the call buttons with my new deck but atleast the volume and other controls function properly now.

BTW on 2010 tourings I used a white and grey wire. Add that to the list of functioning leads.

for the record all the information in this thread is listed on metra's website if you know where to look ;)

MattP725 01-29-2012 07:51 PM

Not true... I looked and it said that you can use the phone buttons by jumping the bluetooth cables... no where did it say you needed to jump them to use any of the other buttons.

Check it out, I just re-read it to make sure.

bigaudiofanat 01-29-2012 08:20 PM

Bignate, there website has a lot of things wrong.

OP, I know I was able to get all but the Calling buttons to work without disconnecting or bypassing anything. I know someone else on here has bypassed the box you speak of to get them to work, I think you also have to add another wire to the axxess. I thought I had it bookmarked apparently I do not sadly. Let me see if I can hunt that thread down.

Tomboy 01-29-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725 (Post 1515525)
Were you guys able to get the phone buttons working and remove the unit? I know there are instructions for jumping the pins on the rear harness. I haven't tried it yet.

My husband is the one that knows on the hookup for sure. I do know we left the bluetooth module in and followed the metra instructions. I think he did a little more on the wiring but will have to wait to talk with him again if you are interested. It didnot work until we finally figured out to unhook the harness. Metra cooperated instantly. Works a little slow here and there with my IPhone hooked up using the steering buttons on changing music I have loaded. Really haven't done to much with it.
Thanks for the link on the harness. This can be used even if you are using the Bose amp and speakers? Is it self explanatory installing? Might need to hook you up with my husband too on this. Tell me more about the xm antenna you can add. He installed the black antenna that came with it on the back wheel well inside under the plastic opposite the gps antennna on the other wheel well inside. I would love to use the stock antenna which is also XM. If you have a link, it would be great.

MattP725 01-30-2012 06:40 AM

Big that would be awesome if you found that but not the end of the world I guess.

Tomboy it is just a matter of unplugging the XM antenna from the stock unit and plugging it into the Pioneer XM brain... very simple once you find the XM unit (which is right with the bluetooth module). You still need to use the IP bus cable and the power cable supplied by pioneer. Only the antenna is transferable.

370ZilverZ 03-19-2012 03:58 PM

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This what I have found on mine. Can anyone that has done the bose swap verify this to be what they found too? I think that wire colors may be the same from a bose car to another bose car, but perhaps not match that of a nav or base set-up. That is why most instructions do not say what wire color to use, but pin numbers only. Perhaps the color callouts started from forum members not knowing, (but trying to be helpful) that the wire colors are not the same from sytem to system.

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1332190240

MattP725 03-19-2012 05:39 PM

Looks like you have the right pins/wires to me... unfotunately I don't remember the colors I used but I know that the service manual and axxess were both right... the only problem is axxess has a diagram that counts the pins looking at the exposed pin side where the service manual uses the wire side (hope that makes sense). Ignore the colors and you'll be fine. Follow either instruction as long as you are looking at it from the correct angle.

bigaudiofanat 03-19-2012 05:46 PM

Ya the colors I gave him were for the base model and not the bose system. I forget what they are.

370ZilverZ 03-19-2012 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725 (Post 1608746)
Looks like you have the right pins/wires to me... unfotunately I don't remember the colors I used but I know that the service manual and axxess were both right... the only problem is axxess has a diagram that counts the pins looking at the exposed pin side where the service manual uses the wire side (hope that makes sense). Ignore the colors and you'll be fine. Follow either instruction as long as you are looking at it from the correct angle.

Yeah, that was making me dizzy trying to figure out which way I was looking at the diagram vs connector. I finally took it into the car and compared it.

Matt, On another subject, where is the bose bluetooth module located? I plan on doing the pin jumps to get the phone controls to work too.

MattP725 03-19-2012 07:05 PM

Good luck with that... the module is in the trunk behind the passenger seat... you need to remove all the trunk panels to get to it.

I tried it and couldn't get the phone buttons to work but please post it up if you happen to get it working.

370ZilverZ 03-19-2012 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MattP725 (Post 1608924)
Good luck with that... the module is in the trunk behind the passenger seat... you need to remove all the trunk panels to get to it.

I tried it and couldn't get the phone buttons to work but please post it up if you happen to get it working.

I got in there doing dynamat. Is it one of these?

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1332202286

nurseryboy 08-15-2012 05:45 PM

I just installed the JVC KW-NT800HDT and AXXESS on my 09 Touring w/ Bose (w/o Navi) and auto-programming of the AXXESS got the volume buttons, like most people. It also made the phone hang-up button the mute button on the head unit for some reason. So, I did the manual programming (tried 3 times) but can't get the JVC to recognize any of the other buttons (even track next/previous). The AXXESS shows it's receiving a signal from each of the buttons when manually programming it (the LED lights up), but they don't do anything with the head unit.

I know some people said you have to mess with the bluetooth module in the trunk (jump some wires), so I took all that apart, but my connector doesn't match any of the diagrams / pictures (both from AXXESS or on this forum (like this post)). For each of the 3 connections that need to be made, one of the wires that's involved isn't there. (I'm going by pin locations, not colors.)

Do the other buttons on the steering wheel rely on that bluetooth module in the back? Is there some trick to getting them to work? I'd love all buttons, including the phone ones, but even track next/prev would be really nice.


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