Hertz HDP Amps

37Z · 08-20-2011, 06:51 PM

Recently HERTZ came out with a new line of amps. (HERTZ HDP amps). I am interested in your comments on the sound quality and ease of tuning if you have installed one of these amps.

bigaudiofanat · 08-20-2011, 06:55 PM

I would think Hertz along with the other high end brands would be great. What are you thinking of powering with them?

37Z · 08-21-2011, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

I would think Hertz along with the other high end brands would be great. What are you thinking of powering with them?

I already have Focal K2P speakers for the fronts that need 70RMS to power them. The HERTZ amp supposedly smooths out the highs well.

Any suggestions on a sub located in the rear area covered by the foam piece in front of the spare tire well is appreciated. I like this location since it would not required removal of anything. I thinking a pair of 6" or 8" subs located either side of a small footprint amp side firing that would be installed in a ported sub box primarly for a hidden look. For the music I listen to, I do not need a massive amount of bass.

How did you like the JBL MS-8 processor? It is my understanding that I is easy to tune, but has it limitations due to the out-of-the-boxd tuning that comes programmed with it. From the comments on the DIY web site, this processor suppossedly sounds best with a center speaker; not sure why. I do have a set of Alpine 6117 speakers with a small footprint that could be used for a center speaker if need be. Any thoughts?

bigaudiofanat · 08-21-2011, 08:36 AM

The focals can take a lot more power than 70 as long as the amp is producing a clean signal. I have likes and dislikes about the JBL ms-8, for one yes it is easy to tune as long as you know about octs. and crossover freq. However it is limited only but eh 2 volt output which IMO is very poor and low and I would have liked to have seen 4 volt out. However if you are worried about the harshens of your tweeters you should know that the ms-8 is pretty much made to go active and you can easily smooth them out if you know what you are doing.

Sounds great without a center and that is the only way I would run a system. Subs is up to you and where you want to place them and what your looking for as far as bass. I know the ms-8 calibrated the sub as well. I would also say that if your looking to control your sub or use the head units EQ your not going to be able to. The ms-8 pretty much ignores all of that.

Unclemeaty · 08-21-2011, 11:10 AM

Hertz and Audison are the same brand. Audison amps are very good. Some models can run in Class-A depending on module selection; which makes them sound great for mids and highs. They run hot however by design due to their Bi-Polar output stage (instead of mosfet) with a higher voltage bias (Making them sound warm; class-A) and are not the best for powerful subwoofers.

For the win, the only other amps in this category are old SoundStream Class-A, MCx, and some Reference/Rubicon amps built in the US back in the early 90s, and similar amps using TIP101/107 output devices. I think the old SoundStream stuff is still probably better, but Audison amps are very good and easier to get - new stuff. Is the Hertz amp in the same as the Audison line?

I have an old Soundstream Reference 1000sx which I will sell for $300 shipped. Works flawless and one of the best sounding mass-produced amps ever.

Unclemeaty · 08-21-2011, 11:14 AM

Woops, I just looked at the hertz HDP on their site. Sorry but its a Class-D amp. It may work for you but you may have a lot of harshness in the upper frequencies due to the over-all maturity of Class-D amps. If you want a Class-D amp for mids and highs, try ZedAudio as they are the absolute pioneers.

Contracry to what I said before, Hertz HDP amps are probably better for mids and lows and probably not high frequency. If you want a 'Hertz' amp that works very well for highs, look at their Audison line, or look at a Class-AB line from Hertz.

bigaudiofanat · 08-21-2011, 11:24 AM

Hertz and audison are built the almsot the same but there not the same company.

Unclemeaty · 08-21-2011, 11:42 AM

You are right. Audison is the parent company for Hertz. Their amp design are stil similar though, as most car audio companies have amps which are clones for other companies, IE - MaxxSonics

37Z · 08-21-2011, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclemeaty

Woops, I just looked at the hertz HDP on their site. Sorry but its a Class-D amp. It may work for you but you may have a lot of harshness in the upper frequencies due to the over-all maturity of Class-D amps. If you want a Class-D amp for mids and highs, try ZedAudio as they are the absolute pioneers.

Contracry to what I said before, Hertz HDP amps are probably better for mids and lows and probably not high frequency. If you want a 'Hertz' amp that works very well for highs, look at their Audison line, or look at a Class-AB line from Hertz.

I likely will choose a class-D amp for its ability to stay cooler since I plan to located it in the rear hatch area where the foam piece is located. I will let you know what I find out after someone has installed a HERTZ HDP amp ASAP.

I will check out ZedAudio amps.

Unclemeaty · 08-22-2011, 01:57 PM

I live in GA, you in FL. I imaging things may be a bit hotter in FL depending on where, but Atlanta has been hotter than Tampa according to some recent visitors of mine. Although they run hot, my SS Class-A Reference and Reference 1000sx do not run hot enough to go into protection. You should be fine with most amps in the compartment below the foam, especially an amp for just door speakers.

Also, my friend has a DBDrive 1600 amp which I repaired for him. It's class-D, and actually runs hotter than my SS 1000sx which is class-ab. Class-d is not all that it is cracked up to be in some cases and depends a lot upon construction, design, sync material, and driving loads. In my experience repairing amps this has come more apparent, and the irrelevance both widened and narrowed between the differences of Class-AB and Class-D. Class-D has a lot of hype and not a whole lot of real good amps using it correctly. I've seen maying using components designed for AC/DC motors and not for Audio.

Yes, Zed makes great amps. I'm glad to see they are making them again as they were the original pioneer car-amp designers of the 70s-90s. They built the first 2x200w amp for cars and called it a very early series Hifonics Zeus.

bigaudiofanat · 08-22-2011, 02:12 PM

OR run fans. A install I did in WV using a audison LRX 5.1 is covered with the stock floor and does run hot but its ok as long as you circulate air.

37Z · 08-24-2011, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclemeaty

I live in GA, you in FL. I imaging things may be a bit hotter in FL depending on where, but Atlanta has been hotter than Tampa according to some recent visitors of mine. Although they run hot, my SS Class-A Reference and Reference 1000sx do not run hot enough to go into protection. You should be fine with most amps in the compartment below the foam, especially an amp for just door speakers.

Also, my friend has a DBDrive 1600 amp which I repaired for him. It's class-D, and actually runs hotter than my SS 1000sx which is class-ab. Class-d is not all that it is cracked up to be in some cases and depends a lot upon construction, design, sync material, and driving loads. In my experience repairing amps this has come more apparent, and the irrelevance both widened and narrowed between the differences of Class-AB and Class-D. Class-D has a lot of hype and not a whole lot of real good amps using it correctly. I've seen maying using components designed for AC/DC motors and not for Audio.

Yes, Zed makes great amps. I'm glad to see they are making them again as they were the original pioneer car-amp designers of the 70s-90s. They built the first 2x200w amp for cars and called it a very early series Hifonics Zeus.

I looked at ZED Audio Draconici ii amp. Its a 4-channel amp that should work with a set of focal K2P for the fronts a couple of small subs I plan to locate in the rear hatch area where the foam piece is located in front of the spare tire well. This amp can be bridged front and rear as I understand. Do you have any experience with this amp?

Unclemeaty · 08-26-2011, 09:49 AM

I have not looked at or seen anything Zed in person except a Nakamichi design just a few years old - It was a pretty small amp that some moron shorted out pretty good, and I was extatic when I saw Zed designed it. I do currently repair some of their old Hifonics, Rodek, AutoTek, Crunch, Nakamichi (when they were excelent) and ESX amps, and even though they are that old there is not too much on the market which could compete from that era. There are boasted claims that the new stuff is even better.

I think you should really read everything on zed's website, because he is considered a revolutionist who designed amps for most of the old-school audio companies. Now-a-days, everything is made in China and is so cheap and copied that most companies cannot afford to use Zed for the designs. If you call, you may even be able to talk to Steve Mantz himself, give him your situation and he will set you in the right direction. Back in the day, everything Zed made was competition class - for both high SPL and the best SQL. Today, I think he stands by the technology, and claims that the new stuff is more-or-less a no holds bar compared to the stuff he designed and mades many years ago. If should all be very good, top notch products built in the USA.

I've fixed hundreds of amplifiers to date, and would be absolutely jelous of you if you bought anything built by ZedAudio. I really hope it works out!

Unclemeaty · 08-26-2011, 09:56 AM

One more thing, you may want you can pay a little extra for the BurrBrown option. If you are insane and want nothing but the best in terms of warmth, character, low distorion, and high SQL amplification - BurrBrown is the best in the entire industry. I dont think any other car audio company can offer this better than Zed. You might have to call and ask him about this option. I think it adds about $100 to the cost.

bigaudiofanat · 08-26-2011, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclemeaty

One more thing, you may want you can pay a little extra for the BurrBrown option. If you are insane and want nothing but the best in terms of warmth, character, low distorion, and high SQL amplification - BurrBrown is the best in the entire industry. I dont think any other car audio company can offer this better than Zed. You might have to call and ask him about this option. I think it adds about $100 to the cost.

I would say that is an opinion not a fact.

With so many great names out there it is like home audio everyone has a preference to what they think is the best.

McIntosh
Sinfoni
Brax
Zapco
Butler
Audison

And older US amps come to mine when I think best of the best

08-20-2011, 06:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
37Z Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 476 Drives: 370Z MB 6M -sold Rep Power: 263	Hertz HDP Amps Recently HERTZ came out with a new line of amps. (HERTZ HDP amps). I am interested in your comments on the sound quality and ease of tuning if you have installed one of these amps.

08-20-2011, 06:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	I would think Hertz along with the other high end brands would be great. What are you thinking of powering with them? __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-21-2011, 08:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	The focals can take a lot more power than 70 as long as the amp is producing a clean signal. I have likes and dislikes about the JBL ms-8, for one yes it is easy to tune as long as you know about octs. and crossover freq. However it is limited only but eh 2 volt output which IMO is very poor and low and I would have liked to have seen 4 volt out. However if you are worried about the harshens of your tweeters you should know that the ms-8 is pretty much made to go active and you can easily smooth them out if you know what you are doing. Sounds great without a center and that is the only way I would run a system. Subs is up to you and where you want to place them and what your looking for as far as bass. I know the ms-8 calibrated the sub as well. I would also say that if your looking to control your sub or use the head units EQ your not going to be able to. The ms-8 pretty much ignores all of that. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-21-2011, 11:14 AM	#6 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 15	Woops, I just looked at the hertz HDP on their site. Sorry but its a Class-D amp. It may work for you but you may have a lot of harshness in the upper frequencies due to the over-all maturity of Class-D amps. If you want a Class-D amp for mids and highs, try ZedAudio as they are the absolute pioneers. Contracry to what I said before, Hertz HDP amps are probably better for mids and lows and probably not high frequency. If you want a 'Hertz' amp that works very well for highs, look at their Audison line, or look at a Class-AB line from Hertz. Last edited by Unclemeaty; 08-21-2011 at 11:22 AM.

08-21-2011, 11:24 AM	#7 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	Hertz and audison are built the almsot the same but there not the same company. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-21-2011, 11:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 15	Hertz and Audison are the same brand. Audison amps are very good. Some models can run in Class-A depending on module selection; which makes them sound great for mids and highs. They run hot however by design due to their Bi-Polar output stage (instead of mosfet) with a higher voltage bias (Making them sound warm; class-A) and are not the best for powerful subwoofers. For the win, the only other amps in this category are old SoundStream Class-A, MCx, and some Reference/Rubicon amps built in the US back in the early 90s, and similar amps using TIP101/107 output devices. I think the old SoundStream stuff is still probably better, but Audison amps are very good and easier to get - new stuff. Is the Hertz amp in the same as the Audison line? I have an old Soundstream Reference 1000sx which I will sell for $300 shipped. Works flawless and one of the best sounding mass-produced amps ever.

08-21-2011, 11:42 AM	#8 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 15	You are right. Audison is the parent company for Hertz. Their amp design are stil similar though, as most car audio companies have amps which are clones for other companies, IE - MaxxSonics

08-22-2011, 01:57 PM	#10 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 15	I live in GA, you in FL. I imaging things may be a bit hotter in FL depending on where, but Atlanta has been hotter than Tampa according to some recent visitors of mine. Although they run hot, my SS Class-A Reference and Reference 1000sx do not run hot enough to go into protection. You should be fine with most amps in the compartment below the foam, especially an amp for just door speakers. Also, my friend has a DBDrive 1600 amp which I repaired for him. It's class-D, and actually runs hotter than my SS 1000sx which is class-ab. Class-d is not all that it is cracked up to be in some cases and depends a lot upon construction, design, sync material, and driving loads. In my experience repairing amps this has come more apparent, and the irrelevance both widened and narrowed between the differences of Class-AB and Class-D. Class-D has a lot of hype and not a whole lot of real good amps using it correctly. I've seen maying using components designed for AC/DC motors and not for Audio. Yes, Zed makes great amps. I'm glad to see they are making them again as they were the original pioneer car-amp designers of the 70s-90s. They built the first 2x200w amp for cars and called it a very early series Hifonics Zeus. Last edited by Unclemeaty; 08-22-2011 at 02:11 PM.

08-22-2011, 02:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	OR run fans. A install I did in WV using a audison LRX 5.1 is covered with the stock floor and does run hot but its ok as long as you circulate air. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-26-2011, 09:49 AM	#13 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 15	I have not looked at or seen anything Zed in person except a Nakamichi design just a few years old - It was a pretty small amp that some moron shorted out pretty good, and I was extatic when I saw Zed designed it. I do currently repair some of their old Hifonics, Rodek, AutoTek, Crunch, Nakamichi (when they were excelent) and ESX amps, and even though they are that old there is not too much on the market which could compete from that era. There are boasted claims that the new stuff is even better. I think you should really read everything on zed's website, because he is considered a revolutionist who designed amps for most of the old-school audio companies. Now-a-days, everything is made in China and is so cheap and copied that most companies cannot afford to use Zed for the designs. If you call, you may even be able to talk to Steve Mantz himself, give him your situation and he will set you in the right direction. Back in the day, everything Zed made was competition class - for both high SPL and the best SQL. Today, I think he stands by the technology, and claims that the new stuff is more-or-less a no holds bar compared to the stuff he designed and mades many years ago. If should all be very good, top notch products built in the USA. I've fixed hundreds of amplifiers to date, and would be absolutely jelous of you if you bought anything built by ZedAudio. I really hope it works out! Last edited by Unclemeaty; 08-26-2011 at 09:53 AM.

08-26-2011, 09:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 15	One more thing, you may want you can pay a little extra for the BurrBrown option. If you are insane and want nothing but the best in terms of warmth, character, low distorion, and high SQL amplification - BurrBrown is the best in the entire industry. I dont think any other car audio company can offer this better than Zed. You might have to call and ask him about this option. I think it adds about $100 to the cost. Last edited by Unclemeaty; 08-26-2011 at 10:05 AM.

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