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boomboom 10-30-2010 06:31 PM

installers need advice please
 
So I have a setup from my old car and wanna put it in the z.I have a pic of the amps and subs here:

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/CIMG2579.jpg

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...r/CIMG2578.jpg

I dont know what power these amps are or the power of the subs? I just wanna know if i should get the zenclosure box with the 2 12's facing up, or the box with 1 12inch facing the rear? I dont know anything about this stuff so any advice helps.i also have diamond audio for the front speakers and tweeters.so what do you guys think i should do? thank you

2004YZFR1 10-30-2010 07:58 PM

Since you already own this equipment you can use it in your Z. Just buy a zen box for 2 12's. Diamond makes some good stuff so it should sound good. Two 12's might be alot in the Z though? You will have to find a good place for your two amps.

boomboom 10-30-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2004YZFR1 (Post 789229)
Since you already own this equipment you can use it in your Z. Just buy a zen box for 2 12's. Diamond makes some good stuff so it should sound good. Two 12's might be alot in the Z though? You will have to find a good place for your two amps.

Thank you, ya i loved how it sounded in the grand prix!! it was sharp not cheep sounding.i have the diamond 4 inch set up and the 6 1/2 inch set up as well, although i dont think i need the 6inch ones.So i have plenty of good quality speakers..so do the upfire boxes for the 2 12;s sound ok?

bigaudiofanat 10-30-2010 09:03 PM

If I were you I would only put one of those subs in for a few reasons.
One if your going to a smaller car your are going to get more bass from just one than you did from two in a bigger car.
Also you will not have to work your amp as hard their by not straining you alternator as much because your gain "amp volume knob" will be turned down.

Get a rear firing for better sound and louder bass.

Also use the 6 1/2 only if they are components which means there is a tweeter and a crossover which is a small box that should be labeled something like "input" "tweeter" Woofer" If a tweeter is on the speaker they are coaxial's and you should get new speakers that are components. I recommend that you also run new wire from your amp to your speakers as well for better sound.

pg6speed 10-30-2010 10:37 PM

If you really like boom then up firing 2 12's will be great. In an area as small as the Z it wont matter if they face up or back. Those amps and your alternator will handle it no prob.
If your wanting to change to a little more toned down and sound quality setup then a single 12 facing back is the way to go.
As for the fronts use 6.5's. As was said before components are the way to go in this car (easy install and sounds the best). If money is tight and the speakers you already have are coaxial you can run them for a while, until you get components, as they are still better than the stock equipment.
You didn't mention anything about a new head unit?

boomboom 10-30-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pg6speed (Post 789400)
If you really like boom then up firing 2 12's will be great. In an area as small as the Z it wont matter if they face up or back. Those amps and your alternator will handle it no prob.
If your wanting to change to a little more toned down and sound quality setup then a single 12 facing back is the way to go.
As for the fronts use 6.5's. As was said before components are the way to go in this car (easy install and sounds the best). If money is tight and the speakers you already have are coaxial you can run them for a while, until you get components, as they are still better than the stock equipment.
You didn't mention anything about a new head unit?

The 6 1/2 come with a seperate tweeter and crossover..also the 4 1/2 do too..so that is good? I didnt think the 6 1/2 would fit in the front..

still dont know if i should go with 1 or 2 subs...alpine your saying 1 sub would be loud facing the rear and would be deep enough?

i havent looked at head units yet..sucks cause i really like the stock unit..

pg6speed 10-30-2010 11:11 PM

Yes use the 6.5's in the front thats what size the factory door speakers are. 6.5 in the door and tweeter in the dash, no need for the 4's.

For the subs its all personal preference. One 12 facing back is plenty loud and clear for most people but, you already have two 12's. If you really like loud base then go for it put 2 12's firing up, its up to you and your taste.

bigaudiofanat 10-30-2010 11:45 PM

I to agree no rear speakers and no 4 inch speakers just use the 6.5's and the subs. I did a setup with one 12 in a z and I had to get out of the car, to much bass for be as my ears were vibrating. One is what I recommend.

boomboom 10-31-2010 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 789448)
I to agree no rear speakers and no 4 inch speakers just use the 6.5's and the subs. I did a setup with one 12 in a z and I had to get out of the car, to much bass for be as my ears were vibrating. One is what I recommend.

I think i will go with just 1 then..thanks guys..

boomboom 10-31-2010 12:19 AM

can i keep the factory unit and use it?

bigaudiofanat 10-31-2010 12:23 AM

Use what? The speakers not recommended the head unit is only going to put out around 8 watts even a aftermarket one is only going to put out 22 watts RMS. I highly recommend using a amp to power your speakers.

boomboom 10-31-2010 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 789480)
Use what? The speakers not recommended the head unit is only going to put out around 8 watts even a aftermarket one is only going to put out 22 watts RMS. I highly recommend using a amp to power your speakers.

no no i have amps for the speakers..i just wanna know if i have to replace the factory head unit? i like the one the z comes with and the steering wheel controls..

bigaudiofanat 10-31-2010 01:18 AM

A new head unit can use the factory sterring whee controls just need a metra axess to integrate them.

You can use the factory head unit but you are going to have to wire in a LOC or a better choice for a better quality output a MTX REQ5

boomboom 10-31-2010 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 789507)
A new head unit can use the factory sterring whee controls just need a metra axess to integrate them.

You can use the factory head unit but you are going to have to wire in a LOC or a better choice for a better quality output a MTX REQ5

Prolly easier to just get a new unit im thinking and get the metra axess..i can sell the 4 inch diamond audio component set and 1 of the subs and i have a nice kenwood head unit i can sell, then use that money to get a nice head unit i guess..

whats your opinion on memphis stuff? the sub has barely been played.

bigaudiofanat 10-31-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by boomboom (Post 789524)
Prolly easier to just get a new unit im thinking and get the metra axess..i can sell the 4 inch diamond audio component set and 1 of the subs and i have a nice kenwood head unit i can sell, then use that money to get a nice head unit i guess..

whats your opinion on memphis stuff? the sub has barely been played.

Memphis is not bad stuff just depends on what you want it to do for you. If your looking to tame down your audio system for more sound quality it would not be my first choice. If you want something a bit more laid back for smoother music look at alpine or polk if you can audison makes great amps as well.

boomboom 10-31-2010 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 789761)
Memphis is not bad stuff just depends on what you want it to do for you. If your looking to tame down your audio system for more sound quality it would not be my first choice. If you want something a bit more laid back for smoother music look at alpine or polk if you can audison makes great amps as well.

I think i will use the memphis stuff since i have it already and it does sound pretty good.with the diamond audio stuff it should be what i need im thinking..thank you for your help

Juleous 10-31-2010 11:19 PM

Two 12's would be awesome, I would put both in turn the gains down if you don't like it. I like my two 10's which I was advised against, glad I went with two 10's not one 12" can't beat the punch two give you.

90 ST 11-01-2010 02:14 PM

As mentioned, i would do 1 -12, since you already have it, but 2-10's is what i'll be switching to. As for fronts, yet the 6.5" will fit, Also your amps should fit, under the hatch floor in front of the spare tire, once all the other stuff (if you have any) is removed.

boomboom 11-01-2010 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 791208)
As mentioned, i would do 1 -12, since you already have it, but 2-10's is what i'll be switching to. As for fronts, yet the 6.5" will fit, Also your amps should fit, under the hatch floor in front of the spare tire, once all the other stuff (if you have any) is removed.

do i create cutouts so the amps can get enough air to cool? im not really sure the spot u mean but il look

bigaudiofanat 11-01-2010 10:19 PM

I highly doubt that those large amps are going to fit under the floor. Maybe if you remove the spare and build a amp rack that is the only way I see them fitting under there.

90 ST 11-02-2010 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by boomboom (Post 791984)
do i create cutouts so the amps can get enough air to cool? im not really sure the spot u mean but il look

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 791994)
I highly doubt that those large amps are going to fit under the floor. Maybe if you remove the spare and build a amp rack that is the only way I see them fitting under there.

Check out my install pics, as to where i mean, and the amps i put there are big, both are 9-5/8 x 16-11/16 x 2-1/2. Thoughs Memphis amps are way narrower...

boomboom 11-02-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 793165)
Check out my install pics, as to where i mean, and the amps i put there are big, both are 9-5/8 x 16-11/16 x 2-1/2. Thoughs Memphis amps are way narrower...

Whats the sound difference as to a up firing sub compared to a rear firing one?

bigaudiofanat 11-02-2010 10:42 PM

Rear the sound has time to space out and become louder as it bounces off the rear and GOES FORWARD. As aposed to going up and than down.

boomboom 11-02-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 793165)
Check out my install pics, as to where i mean, and the amps i put there are big, both are 9-5/8 x 16-11/16 x 2-1/2. Thoughs Memphis amps are way narrower...

Hey how do you like the sound of your sub, i just noticed its facing up..also do your amps stay cool enough covered and hidden like that? Awesome install by the way

90 ST 11-03-2010 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by boomboom (Post 793543)
Hey how do you like the sound of your sub, i just noticed its facing up..also do your amps stay cool enough covered and hidden like that? Awesome install by the way

Thanks, yeah the amps run fine, i resently did a 18.5 hour drive to Vegas stereo waaay passed half and no problems. The sub in a hatch wont have any real sound change like it would in a trunk. i'd say face it what ever makes sense for the install you want to do. I like the sound of it, but i'm used to more bass, so i'm going to change out the single 12 for 2 of the 10's, same series though. I have a single 10 version in my truck and it hammers!

90 ST 11-03-2010 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat (Post 793535)
Rear the sound has time to space out and become louder as it bounces off the rear and GOES FORWARD. As aposed to going up and than down.

In a small hatch the sound waves don't have the room to do anything, it wont matter faceing up or down, back or front. or are you talking about controling the movement? cause if you have enough power it will be tight and very controled no matter which way you face the sub.

boomboom 11-12-2010 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 90 ST (Post 793680)
Thanks, yeah the amps run fine, i resently did a 18.5 hour drive to Vegas stereo waaay passed half and no problems. The sub in a hatch wont have any real sound change like it would in a trunk. i'd say face it what ever makes sense for the install you want to do. I like the sound of it, but i'm used to more bass, so i'm going to change out the single 12 for 2 of the 10's, same series though. I have a single 10 version in my truck and it hammers!


ok thanks for the info


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