Group Buy/Interest - 2011 Rear View Camera

Jeffblue · 10-26-2010, 02:50 PM

Good News for you '09 guys. I have a solution for you via group buy. I spoke with the people at Navtool and they offered me the following deal:
15 people committed to buy will get a group buy price of 175 (350 regular)for the Navtool video interface. http://www.navtool.com/370Z.aspx

for the '09 unit, there are several DIY's on the forum for the NAVTOOL and according to them it is plug and play.

The only thing you would need to get would be the camera itself. They recommend the Pioneer ND-BC2, but you can get something else (like what AK did) depending on how much you want to spend.

bdl99 · 10-26-2010, 04:54 PM

Jeff, good news on the 2009 option, looks like you've got a good deal there.

Some history and details for those who care

The 2009/10 GT-Rs and 2009 370z have the older NAV systems/screen. The main difference was/is that the older units were analog RGB and not "programmed" so to speak to take the camera. For the older systems there are various solutions like the NAVTool unit that contain a composite to RGB converter and then a switching circuit to switch the display when the car is placed in reverse. That is why they cost a little more (there is more to it).

My interest was just in the newer units and it started when I got my 2011 GT-R in June and I realized the car appeared to be programmed for a backup camera but not wired. I set about finding out where the camera inputs went and by comparing the wiring diagrams of the Infiniti and GT-R worked it out. I tested the theory on my own car and it worked. I posted the finding and details for everyone to see (including vendors). Had I wanted to make money I wouldn't have done that. You can see the first thread here --> Could it be that simple - NAGTROC

What you will see is for 2011 GTR (and 2010 370z) all that is needed is three things:

To enable the camera
A way of connecting the video-in because although the software is there the wires are not
Configuring the guidelines (it is not a simple on/off - they can be configured)

For Item 1, many of you have already done this. You will get the blue screen when putting the car in reverse.

For item 2, I proved the theory by sticking two probes in the pins I had identified and it worked. You could just insert two pins in those holes and connect an RCA/phono jack on the other end and you would be all set (would cost you a couple of bucks). However, I didn't want to take that approach as I didn't want to interfere with the existing plug because once you insert those pins they don't come back out. My idea was to create a harness that sat between the existing plug and socket so that it could be removed as easily as it was installed (important for those with warranty concerns). Finding the plugs and sockets took me a few weeks and then several more to get them shipped from Japan.

Item 3 was just lots of trial and error and remembering some physics from school, but I eventually got the results I was pleased with. In fact one fellow GT-R owner who I helped out even posted:
"The guideline settings he gave are absolutely spot-on! In fact, they're more accurate than my friend's stock R8 guidelines"

Any DIYers out there I'm happy to help in anyway I can.

wilsonp · 10-26-2010, 05:48 PM

Are you going to start a new Navtool 2009 thread?

I will commit.

Jeffblue · 10-26-2010, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wilsonp

Are you going to start a new Navtool 2009 thread?

I will commit.

i figured we could just keep it in one thread for continuity purposes, but i have the two separate lists going. now that i've got pricing for the '09 kit group buy that will probably work for people. i want to get feedback on the pricing. the sooner i can get 15 people the sooner i can get back to them, and then we can work out how to get these ordered. if necessary, i can serve as a middle man if necessary, but i'd honestly prefer not to, i dont really want to tow the line between vendor and member, since i'm not actually selling anything, i'd just be collecting money and paying it out to the company. anyways, so we need two more people to commmit for the '09 solution to get that group buy moving.

kay3399 · 10-27-2010, 01:28 AM

+2010

DeLRo · 10-27-2010, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdl99

Jeff, good news on the 2009 option, looks like you've got a good deal there.

Some history and details for those who care

The 2009/10 GT-Rs and 2009 370z have the older NAV systems/screen. The main difference was/is that the older units were analog RGB and not "programmed" so to speak to take the camera. For the older systems there are various solutions like the NAVTool unit that contain a composite to RGB converter and then a switching circuit to switch the display when the car is placed in reverse. That is why they cost a little more (there is more to it).

My interest was just in the newer units and it started when I got my 2011 GT-R in June and I realized the car appeared to be programmed for a backup camera but not wired. I set about finding out where the camera inputs went and by comparing the wiring diagrams of the Infiniti and GT-R worked it out. I tested the theory on my own car and it worked. I posted the finding and details for everyone to see (including vendors). Had I wanted to make money I wouldn't have done that. You can see the first thread here --> Could it be that simple - NAGTROC

What you will see is for 2011 GTR (and 2010 370z) all that is needed is three things:

To enable the camera
A way of connecting the video-in because although the software is there the wires are not
Configuring the guidelines (it is not a simple on/off - they can be configured)

For Item 1, many of you have already done this. You will get the blue screen when putting the car in reverse.

For item 2, I proved the theory by sticking two probes in the pins I had identified and it worked. You could just insert two pins in those holes and connect an RCA/phono jack on the other end and you would be all set (would cost you a couple of bucks). However, I didn't want to take that approach as I didn't want to interfere with the existing plug because once you insert those pins they don't come back out. My idea was to create a harness that sat between the existing plug and socket so that it could be removed as easily as it was installed (important for those with warranty concerns). Finding the plugs and sockets took me a few weeks and then several more to get them shipped from Japan.

Item 3 was just lots of trial and error and remembering some physics from school, but I eventually got the results I was pleased with. In fact one fellow GT-R owner who I helped out even posted:
"The guideline settings he gave are absolutely spot-on! In fact, they're more accurate than my friend's stock R8 guidelines"

Any DIYers out there I'm happy to help in anyway I can.

Just wanted to let everyone know that Brian is the guy that I've been working with to make this happen for us. I wanted to make sure that we were able to get a reliable source that could produce something that was as close to OEM as possible and from what I've seen Brian is the best choice out there. Brian has been more than helpful and quick to answer any question I've had.

As soon as I get my kit I will install and get a DIY posted. If this is the route everyone is happy with I'll coordinate with Jeffblue and Brian in finalizing a group buy for the 2010's.

ClemsonWill · 10-28-2010, 01:37 PM

This is coming along. I'm excited. What kit did you get Delro?

DeLRo · 10-28-2010, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClemsonWill

This is coming along. I'm excited. What kit did you get Delro?

Just ordered a harness from bdl99(Brian). Should be here on Monday instead of Saturday since I forgot about the time change from PST to EST.

Jeffblue · 10-28-2010, 07:47 PM

good stuff Delro

CharBoiler · 10-29-2010, 04:06 PM

2009

Interested also

Jeffblue · 10-29-2010, 04:27 PM

^ great, we have 15 for 2009s, i will contact navtool on monday again to tell them we have 50, and then i'll figure out an arrangement in which they can be paid and you all can get cameras. the interface is 175 (group buy price, the regular price is 300 something.), and then you buy a camera of your choice. anyone on here can chime in for recommendations on cameras. you can spend anywhere from 30 to 200+ on a camera, up to you.

r9u8t0 · 10-30-2010, 03:54 PM

I'm very interested...2010ZR

Jeffblue · 10-31-2010, 10:49 PM

Hey all, i just got back from meeting with bdl99 and installed his harness and a kenwood cmos 200 rearview camera. We are in the process of working on the DIY, the most diffiult part being running the wires throughout the length of the car and removing panels. the actual harness and camera themselves, from a wiring perspective, are easy and simple to install, and totally removable if you want to take out the harness if you had a reason (if you had a warranty issue with your nav or something) I am still tweaking the exact angle i want the camera at (hence why you can see my plate still, but once i figure out the perfect angle (since its different from the GTR to the Z), i will establish that in the DIY install.)

Here's a pic so you guys can see proof that his kit does in fact work. this is on my 2010 370Z. please not that the camera is straight. i just parked crooked in my garage because there was stuff in the way..
Edit: corrected camera name

djpathfinder · 10-31-2010, 11:09 PM

Sweet!

My FX45 with Tech package came with a back up camera and on that you can see a part of my plates too, just like in your picture...that's fine on the 370Z b/c you can use the bumper to judge close distance for parking (in addition to the green, yellow and red lines).

Looks like preparation for this group buy is coming along just fine!

dixon cider · 11-01-2010, 03:41 AM

Nice Jeff!! Anxiously waiting.....

10-26-2010, 02:50 PM	#91 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	Good News for you '09 guys. I have a solution for you via group buy. I spoke with the people at Navtool and they offered me the following deal: 15 people committed to buy will get a group buy price of 175 (350 regular)for the Navtool video interface. http://www.navtool.com/370Z.aspx for the '09 unit, there are several DIY's on the forum for the NAVTOOL and according to them it is plug and play. The only thing you would need to get would be the camera itself. They recommend the Pioneer ND-BC2, but you can get something else (like what AK did) depending on how much you want to spend. Last edited by Jeffblue; 10-26-2010 at 02:53 PM.

10-26-2010, 04:54 PM	#92 (permalink)
bdl99 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 244 Drives: Nissan GT-R 2011 Rep Power: 15	Jeff, good news on the 2009 option, looks like you've got a good deal there. Some history and details for those who care The 2009/10 GT-Rs and 2009 370z have the older NAV systems/screen. The main difference was/is that the older units were analog RGB and not "programmed" so to speak to take the camera. For the older systems there are various solutions like the NAVTool unit that contain a composite to RGB converter and then a switching circuit to switch the display when the car is placed in reverse. That is why they cost a little more (there is more to it). My interest was just in the newer units and it started when I got my 2011 GT-R in June and I realized the car appeared to be programmed for a backup camera but not wired. I set about finding out where the camera inputs went and by comparing the wiring diagrams of the Infiniti and GT-R worked it out. I tested the theory on my own car and it worked. I posted the finding and details for everyone to see (including vendors). Had I wanted to make money I wouldn't have done that. You can see the first thread here --> Could it be that simple - NAGTROC What you will see is for 2011 GTR (and 2010 370z) all that is needed is three things: To enable the camera A way of connecting the video-in because although the software is there the wires are not Configuring the guidelines (it is not a simple on/off - they can be configured) For Item 1, many of you have already done this. You will get the blue screen when putting the car in reverse. For item 2, I proved the theory by sticking two probes in the pins I had identified and it worked. You could just insert two pins in those holes and connect an RCA/phono jack on the other end and you would be all set (would cost you a couple of bucks). However, I didn't want to take that approach as I didn't want to interfere with the existing plug because once you insert those pins they don't come back out. My idea was to create a harness that sat between the existing plug and socket so that it could be removed as easily as it was installed (important for those with warranty concerns). Finding the plugs and sockets took me a few weeks and then several more to get them shipped from Japan. Item 3 was just lots of trial and error and remembering some physics from school, but I eventually got the results I was pleased with. In fact one fellow GT-R owner who I helped out even posted: "The guideline settings he gave are absolutely spot-on! In fact, they're more accurate than my friend's stock R8 guidelines" Any DIYers out there I'm happy to help in anyway I can. Last edited by bdl99; 10-26-2010 at 05:01 PM.

10-26-2010, 05:48 PM	#93 (permalink)
wilsonp A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,134 Drives: 2009 Touring Sp Nav Rep Power: 17	Are you going to start a new Navtool 2009 thread? I will commit. __________________ 2014 Cayman S PDK Sport Chrono White/Black Was 2009 370Z Touring Sport+Nav 7AT Metallic Black/Persimmon Was 1991 NSX Auto Black/Black

10-28-2010, 01:37 PM	#97 (permalink)
ClemsonWill A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 12,045 Drives: a Civic VP! Rep Power: 445	This is coming along. I'm excited. What kit did you get Delro? __________________ Slightly modded

10-31-2010, 11:09 PM	#104 (permalink)
djpathfinder A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 12,910 Drives: 2012 GT-R BE Rep Power: 733	Sweet! My FX45 with Tech package came with a back up camera and on that you can see a part of my plates too, just like in your picture...that's fine on the 370Z b/c you can use the bumper to judge close distance for parking (in addition to the green, yellow and red lines). Looks like preparation for this group buy is coming along just fine! __________________ 2012 GT-R Black Edition Jet Black 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary // SOLD

10-27-2010, 01:28 AM	#95 (permalink)
kay3399 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: vancouver Posts: 28 Drives: 40th Anniversary370z Rep Power: 15	+2010

10-28-2010, 07:47 PM	#99 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	good stuff Delro

10-29-2010, 04:06 PM	#100 (permalink)
CharBoiler Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NorCal Posts: 53 Drives: 09 PW/Tour/Sport Rep Power: 15	2009 Interested also

10-29-2010, 04:27 PM	#101 (permalink)
Jeffblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NY Age: 36 Posts: 9,192 Drives: Z32TT & 335xi Coupe Rep Power: 37	^ great, we have 15 for 2009s, i will contact navtool on monday again to tell them we have 50, and then i'll figure out an arrangement in which they can be paid and you all can get cameras. the interface is 175 (group buy price, the regular price is 300 something.), and then you buy a camera of your choice. anyone on here can chime in for recommendations on cameras. you can spend anywhere from 30 to 200+ on a camera, up to you.

10-30-2010, 03:54 PM	#102 (permalink)
r9u8t0 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: usa Posts: 34 Drives: 10 370 road P/G auto Rep Power: 15	I'm very interested...2010ZR

11-01-2010, 03:41 AM	#105 (permalink)
dixon cider A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: STL Posts: 6,034 Drives: ONE BAD AZZ VERT Rep Power: 30	Nice Jeff!! Anxiously waiting.....

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