Why are Bose systems hated?

vipor · 10-04-2009, 01:21 AM

I haven't read every post so sorry if someone has stated this. Also, I haven't done any real research in the the Bose stereo that comes in the 370Z (mine doesn't have one.)

Typically Bose systems use local amplifiers for each driver (or component set) and a ported speaker enclosure incorporating a 3-1/2" woofer. The ports are tuned to a specific frequency range that will operate fairly well for general listening. The issues you have come from the fact that the ports are tuned, thereby limiting some of the overall frequency range. A 3-1/2" paper cone woofer was never designed to reproduce sound anywhere near the 250Hz range. The phrase "no highs, no lows, gotta be Bose" doesn't exist for no reason. Most avid Bose users are older, and that's due to the fact that your hearing loses range once you get older and damage it from the loud world we live in. They don't notice the lack of range because of it. Even the subwoofers in most Bose systems have almost a mid-base feel to them, and struggle to hit even 80Hz.

From an installers view, Bose is a pain in the ***. When upgrading you are limited to 2-ohm, 3-1/2" speakers that use a 3-point mounting chassis, and doing anything beyond band-aid repairs requires running new wires straight to the speaker. Couple this with the necessity to build mounting brackets for the new speakers using ABS or MDF and you've got a long day ahead of you. Unlike most cars, a visit from a car owner with a failing Bose system will usually result in a new Stereo, 2 pairs of Speakers, and a lot of labor.

I'm personally thrilled about my car not including Bose, it'll make installing a Pioneer AVIC that much easier.

bigaudiofanat · 10-04-2009, 08:56 AM

YOUR ARE HALF RIGHT. There is no tuning done when they install they system in a car maybe for the house. What is true and I can not keep saying it. Is that the processor mutes or fades out what freq it can not reproduce as you turn the volume up. They do this because they know there speakers and amps can not take a lot of power or else they will distort. A real system will NOT do this. I am sorry but installers just do not see them as a pain but being pointless and very stupid to even buy. They are no were near worth the money.

bigaudiofanat · 12-03-2009, 09:44 AM

A guy from another site posted this.

JB-370z · 12-03-2009, 10:48 AM

They are hated do to the price to performance ratio!!!

LETSGOEERS06 · 12-03-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JB-370z

They are hated do to the price to performance ratio!!!

ConchZ2 · 12-03-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JB-370z

They are hated do to the price to performance ratio!!!

I agree!

I would rather spend more on my home audio system than the on the Z.
Boston Acoustics (VS) with dual SVS Subs (PC13-Ultra) and Denon 7.1 AV

JB-370z · 12-03-2009, 11:26 AM

Pioneer elite for got what model and KEF 5.1 speakers and sub forgot what model and 58" samsung plasma forgot what model and it f-ing rocks. I love home audio and video too!

theDreamer · 12-03-2009, 01:02 PM

It might take up the same amount of space, but so does when I convert an 128 file to loseless. It does not mean it is the same quality, now for the average person FLAC v. Apple loseless will be the same. Differences will be noticed at the highs & lows when you enter into high end equipment. I am not just referring to speakers but amps, receivers, DAC, even headphones if you are me.

bigaudiofanat · 12-03-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

It might take up the same amount of space, but so does when I convert an 128 file to loseless. It does not mean it is the same quality, now for the average person FLAC v. Apple loseless will be the same. Differences will be noticed at the highs & lows when you enter into high end equipment. I am not just referring to speakers but amps, receivers, DAC, even headphones if you are me.

Converting something that is already compressed back to lossless is pointless. It tries to fill in info that was lost. When you rip a cd directly to the best format that will make sure your getting the best. But this is one of those subjects that can be argued until the cows come home. I say one thing you say another. Either way I still say the best format is either cd or loss less.

Sigur · 12-03-2009, 02:02 PM

Media monkey wtfpwns itunes as far as managing and organizing large library's of music. Anyone who says different obviously doesn't know what media monkey is or doesn't have a large library of music.

bigaudiofanat · 12-03-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigur

Media monkey wtfpwns itunes as far as managing and organizing large library's of music. Anyone who says different obviously doesn't know what media monkey is or doesn't have a large library of music.

I have over 8,000 songs all from original cd's and over 770 cd's ripped. itunes is all I use.

Sigur · 12-03-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

I have over 8,000 songs all from original cd's and over 770 cd's ripped. itunes is all I use.

Hmm... I have about 4x that and itunes completely chokes. I was forced to use it temporarily until people figured out the new hashing for iphone, and had to load a small subset of my library. Maybe it works better when you aren't running it on a PC or something. I also found a lot of the organizational features I was used to in media monkey lacking in itunes.

bigaudiofanat · 12-03-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigur

Hmm... I have about 4x that and itunes completely chokes. I was forced to use it temporarily until people figured out the new hashing for iphone, and had to load a small subset of my library. Maybe it works better when you aren't running it on a PC or something. I also found a lot of the organizational features I was used to in media monkey lacking in itunes.

Well I have had no problems I have ran it on my 5 year old mac and a newer computer. Not a hitch. I am a itunes user for life. Just very easy to find anything you are looking for as well as make and burn playlists.

theDreamer · 12-03-2009, 02:11 PM

Yes, but the point I was trying to show with my example was that just because something equals X file size off the CD does not mean it is the same quality. Example, an Apple loseless file is 2.5MB and the file on the CD is 2.5MB, that does not mean it produced the same quality.

theDreamer · 12-03-2009, 03:19 PM

You say you are iTunes for life, but have you ever used any other software to know if something is better?

10-04-2009, 01:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
vipor A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Euless, TX [ DFW ] Age: 42 Posts: 13,531 Drives: Nismo 09-0183 QAB Rep Power: 49	I haven't read every post so sorry if someone has stated this. Also, I haven't done any real research in the the Bose stereo that comes in the 370Z (mine doesn't have one.) Typically Bose systems use local amplifiers for each driver (or component set) and a ported speaker enclosure incorporating a 3-1/2" woofer. The ports are tuned to a specific frequency range that will operate fairly well for general listening. The issues you have come from the fact that the ports are tuned, thereby limiting some of the overall frequency range. A 3-1/2" paper cone woofer was never designed to reproduce sound anywhere near the 250Hz range. The phrase "no highs, no lows, gotta be Bose" doesn't exist for no reason. Most avid Bose users are older, and that's due to the fact that your hearing loses range once you get older and damage it from the loud world we live in. They don't notice the lack of range because of it. Even the subwoofers in most Bose systems have almost a mid-base feel to them, and struggle to hit even 80Hz. From an installers view, Bose is a pain in the *. When upgrading you are limited to 2-ohm, 3-1/2" speakers that use a 3-point mounting chassis, and doing anything beyond band-aid repairs requires running new wires straight to the speaker. Couple this with the necessity to build mounting brackets for the new speakers using ABS or MDF and you've got a long day ahead of you. Unlike most cars, a visit from a car owner with a failing Bose system will usually result in a new Stereo, 2 pairs of Speakers, and a lot of labor. I'm personally thrilled about my car not including Bose, it'll make installing a Pioneer AVIC that much easier. __________________ 2009 NISMO # 0193 \| QAB \| Albums! \| 05.04.10 (Dynojet) 291.94hp/248.28tq Oil Cooler (DIY)** \| Custom Headlights \| GTSPEC Braces \| F.I. Long Tube Headers

10-04-2009, 08:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	YOUR ARE HALF RIGHT. There is no tuning done when they install they system in a car maybe for the house. What is true and I can not keep saying it. Is that the processor mutes or fades out what freq it can not reproduce as you turn the volume up. They do this because they know there speakers and amps can not take a lot of power or else they will distort. A real system will NOT do this. I am sorry but installers just do not see them as a pain but being pointless and very stupid to even buy. They are no were near worth the money. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/ Last edited by bigaudiofanat; 07-29-2010 at 12:12 PM.

12-03-2009, 09:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	A guy from another site posted this. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

12-03-2009, 01:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	It might take up the same amount of space, but so does when I convert an 128 file to loseless. It does not mean it is the same quality, now for the average person FLAC v. Apple loseless will be the same. Differences will be noticed at the highs & lows when you enter into high end equipment. I am not just referring to speakers but amps, receivers, DAC, even headphones if you are me. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-03-2009, 02:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	Yes, but the point I was trying to show with my example was that just because something equals X file size off the CD does not mean it is the same quality. Example, an Apple loseless file is 2.5MB and the file on the CD is 2.5MB, that does not mean it produced the same quality. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

12-03-2009, 10:48 AM	#4 (permalink)
JB-370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 1,859 Drives: Stage 2 Twin Turbos Rep Power: 19	They are hated do to the price to performance ratio!!!

12-03-2009, 11:26 AM	#7 (permalink)
JB-370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 1,859 Drives: Stage 2 Twin Turbos Rep Power: 19	Pioneer elite for got what model and KEF 5.1 speakers and sub forgot what model and 58" samsung plasma forgot what model and it f-ing rocks. I love home audio and video too!

12-03-2009, 02:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Sigur Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 92 Drives: 09 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 16	Media monkey wtfpwns itunes as far as managing and organizing large library's of music. Anyone who says different obviously doesn't know what media monkey is or doesn't have a large library of music.

12-03-2009, 03:19 PM	#15 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	You say you are iTunes for life, but have you ever used any other software to know if something is better? __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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