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Juleous · 08-08-2010, 03:53 PM

And here is another what do you think about my build thread, sorry but here it goes fairly simple me thinks.

I have put some big thought into upgrading the blows system.

System will be based on a Kenwood DNX 7140, with the three scosche harness adapters, wire harness, antenna, steering wheel adptr. Kenwood CMOS 200 Camera. Plus Sirius Sat setup do I need the full kit or just a couple of pieces?

Zenclosure 2-10" with 2 Alpine SWR1043D Subs
Alpine SPX-17REF components upfront
Alpine PDX-5 Amp

I am going to do the install myself, I have done plenty in past cars and watching all the tutorials I have decided I will do it myself. Apart from the usual wire and interconnects should I change anything up or add anything.

The PDX-5 I will mount behind the drivers seat like Matt did, the Alpine looks great back there.

Matt should I bridge the 4 into 2 channels for the fronts, run the two subs at 2ohms on the mono channel? And then add some rear fill off the deck amp later if I want too?

Thanks for all your advice!

Edit: forgot about full dynamat treatment of course, looking forward to road noise reduction.

TROOPER · 08-08-2010, 04:05 PM

Well I can tell you everyone will disagree with the 2 x 10" subs.
I asked the same question in a thread, and the general agreement was a single 12"

Juleous · 08-08-2010, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TROOPER

Well I can tell you everyone will disagree with the 2 x 10" subs.
I asked the same question in a thread, and the general agreement was a single 12"

Yea well I am a bit of a base head. I used to have two twelves in a RX-7 powerd by a hifonics amp if that tells you anything.

Juleous · 08-08-2010, 05:19 PM

Plus you can always turn the subs down if you want, alot harder to add more when you want it.

bigaudiofanat · 08-08-2010, 06:21 PM

As trooper will later tell you I had to turn his gain down on his amp because one rockford fosgate punch stage 3 was rattling his and mine ears in his z. One 12 is PLENTY for the z. Also a pdx 5 is going to struggle to push two 10's as aposed to one 12 IMO. Other than that looks like a good setup.

TROOPER · 08-08-2010, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

As trooper will later tell you I had to turn his gain down on his amp because one rockford fosgate punch stage 3 was rattling his and mine ears in his z. One 12 is PLENTY for the z. Also a pdx 5 is going to struggle to push two 10's as aposed to one 12 IMO. Other than that looks like a good setup.

As I said, I posted the same thread asking the same thing.
I really liked the cosmetic look of 2 x 10s, but after some good advice, yes the 12 is MORE than enough.

I don't think Matt and I could sit in the car at anything near half volume LOL,
my setup is freakin loud

Plus you'll save money on the 12, instead of buying 2 x 10's, and the amp required to drive them.

Juleous · 08-08-2010, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

As trooper will later tell you I had to turn his gain down on his amp because one rockford fosgate punch stage 3 was rattling his and mine ears in his z. One 12 is PLENTY for the z. Also a pdx 5 is going to struggle to push two 10's as aposed to one 12 IMO. Other than that looks like a good setup.

Did not notice the 4ohm DVC of the 1043, don't think the mono part of the amp is 1ohm stable? Looks like I will need a different sub to get the proper load on the amp. I really like the PDX-5 it fit's right where I want to put it, under the sub does not look like a good place for a highpower amp. There must be zero airflow under there.

Matt when you placed the amp behind the seat did you leave it low on purpose? The wiring would have been cleaner IMO if they came tight under the bar into the amp, the RCA's would have stuck up a little high maybe? Also what did you use to secure the amp to the plastic panel? Would you secure it differently if you did it again?

Can't say I have ever run a dual voice coil in series then in parallel with the other sub, this could work to get the 2ohm load on the amp if I used the 1023 instead but not sure if this is a bad idea never done it before. Matt?

bigaudiofanat · 08-08-2010, 08:29 PM

The amp was secured using the 4 screws that is comes with and goes right threw the plastic panel I did this a year ago in California and I did it 4 weeks ago in the nismo I did no problems.

The pdx is not 1 ohm stable nor as I said that is is not really going to push two 10's hard like you are saying "bass happy". You would need something like a 800 watt amp to really push two subs of any rating as hard as you want.

all the sub wiring diagram can be found here. As long as your final load is 2 ohms or up you are fine. Just keep in mind that if a amp is putting out 400 watts and your pushing 2 subs that they are only going to get 200 watts each at full volume and full gain and probably more like 140 at normal listening volumes.

Car Alarm, Car Stereo, Mobile Video, and Cruise Control Info for Installers click on sub wiring diagrams.

Juleous · 08-08-2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

The amp was secured using the 4 screws that is comes with and goes right threw the plastic panel I did this a year ago in California and I did it 4 weeks ago in the nismo I did no problems.

The pdx is not 1 ohm stable nor as I said that is is not really going to push two 10's hard like you are saying "bass happy". You would need something like a 800 watt amp to really push two subs of any rating as hard as you want.

all the sub wiring diagram can be found here. As long as your final load is 2 ohms or up you are fine. Just keep in mind that if a amp is putting out 400 watts and your pushing 2 subs that they are only going to get 200 watts each at full volume and full gain and probably more like 140 at normal listening volumes.

Car Alarm, Car Stereo, Mobile Video, and Cruise Control Info for Installers click on sub wiring diagrams.

Only if I run the two subs parallel together, if I parallel the two 2ohm voice coils and then series the two 1 ohm subs together then I get full power through both subs, only then the wattage gets split across each voice coil.

Remember power in a series circuit must all flow from the source through all series loads back to the source, where in a parallel circuit the individual parallel load will receive half of the total power like you said. Gots to love the DVC wiring options.

bigaudiofanat · 08-08-2010, 09:17 PM

Hu either way you wire two subs you sharing the output voltage that a amp puts out. If you are running two subs you sharing the voltage even at one ohms. Not to mention the pdx 5 can't do one ohms.

Juleous · 08-08-2010, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

Hu either way you wire two subs you sharing the output voltage that a amp puts out. If you are running two subs you sharing the voltage even at one ohms. Not to mention the pdx 5 can't do one ohms.

Edit: not gonna play this game, thanks for your info.

bigaudiofanat · 08-08-2010, 11:29 PM

Ok no problem.

Juleous · 08-09-2010, 12:46 AM

I will take your advice and do a PDX F4 and a PDX M6 instead, should power the 1023's nicely. How about the airflow under the sub location? You think it would be ok to locate both of these amps under there?

bigaudiofanat · 08-09-2010, 06:07 AM

Should be fine under the seats they run cool.

blastman5 · 08-09-2010, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juleous

Yea well I am a bit of a base head. I used to have two twelves in a RX-7 powerd by a hifonics amp if that tells you anything.

nice man i have had two rx7s haha but i only had one 12 in one...but yea i love base so i hav the z enclosures 2 10" upfire and i love it although i would love to get some dynomat in there

08-08-2010, 03:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
Juleous Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nowhere Posts: 335 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	Planned Install Take a Look And here is another what do you think about my build thread, sorry but here it goes fairly simple me thinks. I have put some big thought into upgrading the blows system. System will be based on a Kenwood DNX 7140, with the three scosche harness adapters, wire harness, antenna, steering wheel adptr. Kenwood CMOS 200 Camera. Plus Sirius Sat setup do I need the full kit or just a couple of pieces? Zenclosure 2-10" with 2 Alpine SWR1043D Subs Alpine SPX-17REF components upfront Alpine PDX-5 Amp I am going to do the install myself, I have done plenty in past cars and watching all the tutorials I have decided I will do it myself. Apart from the usual wire and interconnects should I change anything up or add anything. The PDX-5 I will mount behind the drivers seat like Matt did, the Alpine looks great back there. Matt should I bridge the 4 into 2 channels for the fronts, run the two subs at 2ohms on the mono channel? And then add some rear fill off the deck amp later if I want too? Thanks for all your advice! Edit: forgot about full dynamat treatment of course, looking forward to road noise reduction. Last edited by Juleous; 08-08-2010 at 04:02 PM.

08-08-2010, 04:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
TROOPER A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 1,297 Drives: Your Tax Dollars Rep Power: 17	Well I can tell you everyone will disagree with the 2 x 10" subs. I asked the same question in a thread, and the general agreement was a single 12" __________________ Darren "Guv Motors Passion Wagon"

08-08-2010, 06:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	As trooper will later tell you I had to turn his gain down on his amp because one rockford fosgate punch stage 3 was rattling his and mine ears in his z. One 12 is PLENTY for the z. Also a pdx 5 is going to struggle to push two 10's as aposed to one 12 IMO. Other than that looks like a good setup. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-08-2010, 08:29 PM	#8 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	The amp was secured using the 4 screws that is comes with and goes right threw the plastic panel I did this a year ago in California and I did it 4 weeks ago in the nismo I did no problems. The pdx is not 1 ohm stable nor as I said that is is not really going to push two 10's hard like you are saying "bass happy". You would need something like a 800 watt amp to really push two subs of any rating as hard as you want. all the sub wiring diagram can be found here. As long as your final load is 2 ohms or up you are fine. Just keep in mind that if a amp is putting out 400 watts and your pushing 2 subs that they are only going to get 200 watts each at full volume and full gain and probably more like 140 at normal listening volumes. Car Alarm, Car Stereo, Mobile Video, and Cruise Control Info for Installers click on sub wiring diagrams. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-08-2010, 09:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	Hu either way you wire two subs you sharing the output voltage that a amp puts out. If you are running two subs you sharing the voltage even at one ohms. Not to mention the pdx 5 can't do one ohms. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-08-2010, 05:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Juleous Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nowhere Posts: 335 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	Plus you can always turn the subs down if you want, alot harder to add more when you want it.

08-08-2010, 11:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	Ok no problem. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

08-09-2010, 12:46 AM	#13 (permalink)
Juleous Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nowhere Posts: 335 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 15	I will take your advice and do a PDX F4 and a PDX M6 instead, should power the 1023's nicely. How about the airflow under the sub location? You think it would be ok to locate both of these amps under there?

08-09-2010, 06:07 AM	#14 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	Should be fine under the seats they run cool. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

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