Jl 13w7?
 

do you think its a good fit for the Z? and i need experts that worked on Zs b4, what shop you suggest in/around the philly area.

I would think a 13w7 would be a bit overkill for the z's limited space. Just my opinion though.

haha I had a 13w7 in my 07 Maxima.. that thing is a beast. Paired it with a JL 1000/1 amp and my windshield wipers would bounce across the windshield..
Although it would be awesome, yes it might be a bit overkill. Not even sure how you could fit that in there.

It's fine, I had 3 10w6v2's in my 350

that actually got me thinking... found this from a quick google search.. in a 350z

How To Install 13w7, Two Amps, Two Xovers, All Behind The Arch Of 350z - Volvospeed Forums

Too heavy and pricey. You can get something just a good for a lot cheaper. Check out SSA or Ascendant Audio or Fi.
One of the least known, yet best, subwoofer brands out there:
https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript

Ascendant Audio is a dealership-based only subcompany of Fi. Their Havoc series subs are top notch for your application:
Ascendantaudio.com

Finally someone that agrees with me :iagree:

Interesting that the Havoc sub is a carbon copy of the JL w series.

Still the price you pay for JL stuff makes people think it is the best when there is so much better quality stuff out there. Even some of it better than JL for cheaper.

I hear you, price to performance, but does that make the Z better than porsche?

I will leave it alone, I know you are not a big fan of JL, even thought they are a great company.

The 13W7 Is a great sub, overpriced sure. The AA havoc is a great sub as well. OP, what are you goals? to jsut get loud? SQ? or both? Check out the SSA xcon. Its a great sounding sub that can get crazy loud.

http://www.soundsolutionsaudio.com/s...7B47%7DD2.html

Absolutely untrue. Yes, the dustcaps are very similar, but it is a nice change from the "boob" style cone with small dustcap.
The Havoc's response curve it nothing short of spectacular for a stiff suspension'd subwoofer with high power handling:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...v2/HAVOC15.jpg

The baskets are also nothing alike: the JL has its own unique (but freaking heavy) basket design, while the Havoc has a more traditional 12-spoke design:
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...2/DSCN1133.jpg

The Qts (basically a combination of mechanical and electrical handling of the subwoofer) are nearly identical on both subs, motor strength is not listed for the W7, but the Havoc has a very, very respectable 19.8 Tesla meters. The W7 has a lower resonance at 23.x Htz, and the Havoc's 29.x Htz is a little sad (it's still very good compared to MOST subs) for those of us who like bass we can't hear (just feel), but 95% of your music will be played at 30+ Htz. The power handling and xmax (excursion) of the subs is similar as well (30mm for Havoc and 32mm for the W7 -- more than you'll ever need in both cases). Although the W7 is rated to take 500 more watts RMS, the Havoc is underrated at 1000. My amp puts out 1472 watts at 14.4 volts (my electrical system runs at 14.8-15.2 volts) and the Havoc eats it up no problem (more volts = more wattage output).

However, there is one huge difference in the two subs:
The Havoc literally costs half the W7 and weighs 15 pounds less.

Personally, I think the choice is obvious. Havoc is to F.I. as JL Audio is to HKS. Both EXCELLENT products, but one includes a "royalty" brand fee.

All info on the AA Havoc applies to the Fi Q as well -- they are similarly priced and VERY VERY similar subs (basically the same sub for two different names. (proven by a Fi Q vs AA Havoc test done by me here: Fi Q vs Havoc)

Just let me know if you have any questions regarding subs and/or general car audio! :tiphat:

Another GREAT option. So much went into making this sub guys. It's an incredible piece of equipment. Oh and screw JL amps. For that price, I could get 3 Sundown Audio amps!!! And Jake (the owner of Sundown) is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. Customer service for that company = A+++

VP1, check my signature and you will se I am running a 10w7 powered ONLY by 250x1 rms. This sub is supposed to have 400-500 rms to perform well and with my setup it gives me a headache. I have to turn the bass down to -3 or 0 a lot with most of my music, and again thats running the sub at half of its capabilities.

I listen to hip hop and trance, so I listen to some very deep music. My 10w7 straight blows people away, no questios asked.

a 13w7 would prob be overkill, as ou would have to listen to the sub with the gain turned way down a lot of the time unless you were showing it off. My 10w7 causes rattling already in the hatch/license plate.

As far as the haters of JL, thats what they are, haters. Yes there may be cheaper/better/nicer subs in people's opinion, however, I dont care what anybody say......JL IS THE STANDARD for the mass market and they are top notch subs. But that is the beauty of being a consumer in a free market economy, you can chose whatever you want. That being said, I love my w7 and will probably downgrade to a w3 or w6 in order to fit into a zenclosures box and reduce some weight.

Ya do not get me wrong they are a good company and I have used and installed there stuff before.

Haters is an ignorant term. I'm saying nothing against JL's quality. They make excellent subwoofers and amps. Their equipment is top notch and very capable of winning competitions. Saying that it is the standard makes no sense, however. That's like saying the Nissan is the standard for the mass automotive market. People look for many different things in audio, just as they look at many aspects when looking for a car (or maybe a truck or track toy or minivan).
I'm a realist, not a hater. I'm giving hard, cold facts. I've done my research and basing my opinions and statements on more than what I have owned/heard. When I had a problem with my Havoc (a little too much excursion at 22 Htz :rolleyes: ), it was very, very nice to be able to talk to the OWNER of the company directly to solve my issue (Scott). Customer service is top notch and those guys put a lot into the product they make.
Both subs are purely excellent choices, I'm just throwing an option out there besides the JL :nutswinger:'s. Nothing like a little bit of capitalistic competition!

PS - If this is your first REAL sub setup, the 13" W7 would be overkill. Capable of some huge scores and loud bass in a little hatchback.

I would have to agree that JL is the standard. It's a widely known brand with top notch engineering, quality control, performance, and customer service. Maybe some of these internet subs are better in some quantifiable way, but will they be around in 10 years or even 5?

standard is defined as: basis for comparison; a reference point against which other things can be evaluated

Only a well known and highly regarded brand can set a standard, something which none of the other brands are, or will be any time soon. Just by the nature of you claiming that the internet brand subs are "better" than JL you have made JL the standard. And once again, all of you people who bash JL on the price point need to learn to haggle. Local dealers have more margin than they lead on.

No car audio makes a standard. One company is better at something than another and on top of that everyone has there own opinion. If you think JL is worth the price be my guest. I just know there are many other company's out there that are even better and have much better sound than JL for lower prices. That is MY opinion.

You're missing the point. A standard is a means of comparison. Most everyone who gives a crap about car audio knows JL; therefor, JL is a benchmark or standard.

If there is no standard, then how can a sub sound better or worse? It's not a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact that JL is widely used as a benchmark for comparison of subs and amps. Making it a standard, not necessarily THE standard but a standard none the less.

You keep saying that you know of subs that cost less and sound better. But if there is no standard and all noise is a matter of opinion (your words) your own point is invalidated right? They can't sound better only different. You also fail to take in to account, as i've mentioned over and over, that JLs pricing is ultimately set by the dealer and there are great deals to be had.

Joey is correct in clarifying my original point about JL being a standard. We both understand that there may be other subs that people prefer. But for my money, no questions asked I go JL if I want a nice setup that will last and sound good. Also, JL is someting people know, that you can show off. People who look at a car with JL equipment know thats its nice stuff, its very respected


However, this post was started to decide about a 13w7. I believe I am the only one who has a w7 in my 370 that I know of. My 10w7 running at half its power hits RIDICULOUSLY HARD for daily driving. A 13w7 is almost sure to be unbearable. But it is your call if you want one.

I guess Matt and I are kind of stuck in the "underground" mentality of car audio. There are two sectors, in my opinion, of car audio: fanatic and consumer. We don't mean to offend anyone, it's just that to us, Fi IS the standard. Look as Steve Meade. Look at what he has done with the Ho and the Hoopty. Two beyond incredible vehicles. That Escalade has over 50,000 watts at its disposal!
We aren't meaning to be shoving our ideas, we are just trying to open the minds of everyone to all of the brands out there. That is it. I do understand what you are saying about JL being the broad-based industry standard, though, and I agree. Everyone knows about JL for sure.
This, after all, is a car forum, not an audio forum ;)

I agree we are not trying to affend just trying to help people get more bang for the buck and better quality.


You talk about recognizing a name and having respect.

Jeebus a 13w7 is a 1000+watt sub It is friggen overkill to the max. Might as well throw in triple 15" Memphis Mojo's while you are at it.

True, one could get 3 Nissan GT-R than 1 Lamborghini Gallardo; they both have similar 0-60 speed performance, and possibly similar track performance. But if I was filthy rich and I could only choose one it would definitely be the Lambo.

If the performance was the same between a Uniball ink pen vs a Mont Blanc pen, I would prefer the Mont Blanc pen. Same thing goes with Rolex watches vs other watches such as fossil, I would prefer the Rolex. Same goes with Louis Vuitton wallets I prefer that than others.

It is just human nature to want something better, we don't need over 100 horsepower to get to places, right? But we just want it for no practical reason.

YouTube - R-35 GTR Vs Gallardo,GT3,997T,NSX-R

If you buy car audio for the "WOW" factor for name brands and not sound quality your getting into car audio for the wrong reasons. Car audio is about improving the sound quality in your car.

The thing is that most people just don't care. They're no different from the wealthy woman that buys a Z because it is cute and never takes it over 4k RPM. They don't care what it can do, but they just get it because they want something that they know will work. Everyone has different passions, and stereo isn't a passion for everyone.

this coming from someone who reccomends audison and rainbow:icon18:

And they are wrong how?:rolleyes:

LOL we are talking about strapping on a 84ounce magnet to our cars.. you really hilighting the less weight as a plus? LOL

Me? Heck no I like to keep weight down if I can. But still have a nice balanced audio system.

Come on now. You know people look for weight savings EVERYWHERE. They'll even go as far as to have a titanium exhaust as opposed to SS to save 20 lbs. Or carbon fiber mufflers. Etc, etc... It's a legitimate point.

. Don't roll ur eyes at me matthew! Just sayin it seems hypocritical to preach about JL's high prices and reccomend Audison. Retail on a lot of their amps is well over a grand and only their top two lines are made in italy, the rest is korean. I won't start on rainbow, sure they make great stuff but you've never owned or installed any of their products

:ugh2:

Rainbow I hae heard them at shows. Just saying there is many better names out there than JL and some can be cheaper. Audison amps some of them are cheaper the JL

I agree, its just that the people on the anti JL bandwagon are worse than those who buy it. Its always "blah blah blah JL is overrated" and then they reccomend stuff they have never heard. IF JL Is bought authorized their warranty is second to none.
Which Audison amps are cheaper than JL? The srx4 i sold u retails for 500. Its a step below the jl slash series in quality bit retails close to the same. It just seems to be the popualr thing to do to bash JL and Im far from A JL lover. You hadnt even heard of Audison less than a year ago when I sold you that amp ( I have emails to prove it.) and it was only a few months ago I was telling you about the dynaudio speakers I ordered and you hadn't heard of them or rainbow.

point being for future reference keep an open mind and dont make blanket statements( we've talked about this before.)

True speed but the thing about time is that you run into new products and you talk to people. I would use JL if it was a good price. Also never said I didn't buy a amp from you. I loved that amp lol