Factory NAV Retrofit Install for Touring Models

scruffydog · 12-22-2009, 11:27 AM

Hey guys,
I assume nobody on this forum has done this yet, and it may have been asked before, but does anyone know if the Touring + Sports package (no NAV) model has the wiring ready for the factory NAV? I remember reading some posts before that states a base model or no touring model isn't equipped with wiring for retro fitting a factory NAV.

Does anyone know if the Steering wheel controls for a Touring model (No NAV) is the same as the Touring model with a NAV? It should have pretty much most of the wiring and components installed right?

Questions:
1) Is the steering wheel mounted controls the same?
2) Is the audio feed cable located inside the arm rest compartment on the NAV different than the No NAV? (I would think so because the NAV version has a USB and video input)
3) Is the Satellite receive already installed for the touring model as it comes with XM ready? Does the antenna cable go all the way up to behind the radio unit?
4) Are there any other wiring a Touring (no NAV) model does not have & a Touring (NAV) model have and is really a pain-in-the-*** to order or install after the car is already fully assembled; which ultimately makes this whole project not worth while?

The reason I am asking this is because I am thinkinng of getting a 40th Anniversary Edition 370z early next year, and it may not have the NAV option. It's essential a Touring + Sports package. So if that's the case, I'd be interested in being one of the first to do a retro it factory NAV installation; I also wouldn't mind doing a detailed write up on it too. If any of you are interested in helping me out finding the answers to the above questions, I'd be more than happy to share any knowledge, DIY info once I get my 370Z. Thanks!

bigaudiofanat · 12-22-2009, 01:19 PM

No the nav wiring has been put in the car with the nav and they will not include that stuff for a future install. Nor would it be worth it to install it now. If you even did have enough money to do such an upgrade it would not be worth it as you would also have to install the crappy bose system for the nav to work as well as find somehow to have a antenna for the nav. It would be 100 times batter and more worth it to just get an aftermarket one. The aftermarket head units can be controlled threw the steering wheel controls.

Their are to many things that you would have to do to even think of upgrading to the stock nav system.

fly yellow · 12-22-2009, 01:26 PM

I doubt it can be done, at least on any kind of affordable level. I had an 08 Cadillac CTS that i bought without Nav. I later decided I wanted to put it in, and I didn't think it would be a big deal due to the fact that my car did have the cut out for the pop up screen. Every dealer said that the cost to do it would be more than just taking the hit to trade it in on a new one with Nav.

scruffydog · 12-22-2009, 02:26 PM

I guess what I'm trying to propose is to find out exactly what needed to be added or replace to make this work. And no doubt it's just the matter of how much money and effort I'm willing to throw into this project. Don't get me wrong, I value you guys' input and will take them into my consideration. But at the same time, nothing is impossible to do. It all just comes down to how much of the car I have to take apart in order to install what I need.

Now, the main reason I am posting this up is because I am thinking of getting the 40th Anniversary edition 370z because it has all the extra so-called features I love which I would consider even more expensive to add/replace/replicate to a car that's not a 40th anniversary (i.e. Fully loaded Touring + Sports Package 370Z with NAV). Things such as Red stitching is one hell of a job to do to a car that came with white stitches. Red painted calipers is also debatable for someone to get a better aftermarket. Then there's the special "Quartz" paint for the whole car, and smoked black rims which someone can tell me I could bring it in to someone who can do powder coating - the list goes on and on....

Since I'm not too big wanting an aftermarket Nav system, mainly for 3 reasons:

1) the Nissan NAV is SUPER SUPER awesome....by far the best factory NAV i know of, even better than my Lexus IS beause it has touch screen and buttons in place (so no finger prints) & also has a lot of built-in integrated features such as climate display, etc - things that an aftermarket NAV will not be able to have

2) It ultilizes the compartment glove space for the display, rather than the double din locations beneath it (where the stock stereo sits) so you get better vision

3) It looks much better because it was DESIGNED to be fitted with the car to begin with. NO aftermarket NAV will ever look as clean as it is designed to be able to fit with any car. With it's restrictions in size, the standard double din space....they are not able to put a 7" display + other buttons such as a jog dial like the 370Z factory NAV can for the ease of use.

Not to mention, now I have to worry about people breaking my window, jamming screw drivers down my door lock, just to steal my nice aftermarket NAV system....I'm not ready to go down that path again especially if this is going to be my daily driver and not a show car. At least with a factory NAV, less people would go through the trouble to steal a factory NAV as it'll have less use for them unless they have the same car.

...call me crazy, but I much rather look for a solution and spend upto $2000-$2500 to replace my stock Bose head unit to replace with the factory Bose NAV system than to spend $800-$1200 on a super fancy after market stereo system. Besides, I don't really care to have a better system than the stock Bose sound system that's already in place.

Of course I do realize that there's a balance in realizing what's worth doing and what's not, and I'm not gonna be an idiot and throw $10K (if that's what it takes) into stripping the car or buying components to make the NAV to work. But right now I do have a feeling I could make this to work if I can get these questions answered. Plus, if others that are on the same boat as me on this forum are interested, I'd like to post a detailed DIY on this.

For crying out load, I've been on Mitsubishi Evo X forums, Lexus IS and all of them have a detailed DIY as to how to put a factory NAV in a non-factory NAV car....we can do it! The Mitsubishi EVo X even requiring taking the whole steering wheel out and cut holes into putting a mic and adding some additional wiring harness....but it's super detailed and they listed out exactly which parts (P/N) are need....and that's something I'm willing to provide if I do perform this job.

bigaudiofanat · 12-22-2009, 02:41 PM

Bose amps
Bose sub
Bose Speakers
New wiring harnesses for bose to integrate for the nav
New power harness for nav system
New dash kit
New nav system
New antenna so basically a new roof because the antenna is integrated into the roof.
New wiring and controls for the climate control.

You are easily talking over 4 grand. Not in any way worth it.

Also the stock system is no where close to being as good as the aftermarket systems in the kenwoods.

The Weapon · 12-22-2009, 02:49 PM

[25915P] CONT ASSY-IT MASTER - $3687.98 (Main HDD Unit/Disc Player)
[28091] FES VIDEO MONITOR - $795.79 (Screen)
[25975M] ANTENNA ASSY-GPS - $39.83 (GPS Antennea mounted in front dash)
[25391] SW ASSY-PRESET - $576.69 (Front Control Panel)
[68520] LID-CLUSTER - $310.97 (Cover with AC Vents could be a problem if you have red stitching on 40th Ann. model)
[68520+A] LID-CLUSTER - $180.47 (Plastic Cover)
[68175M] BRACKET-AUDIO - $70.84 (Screen Mount)
[28395Q] SW ASSY-ITS & AUDIO $289.65 (Buttons under Nav Screen)
[28242MA] FEEDER-ANTENNA - $68.14 (Wiring Harness)
[28405M] COVER-ELECTRICAL - $25.80 (COvers Flash Slot)

Total: $6,046.16

[284H1] CONT NIT-AUX AUDIO SYSTEM $352.56 (Should be in Touring)
[68154] BRACKET-RADIO MOUNTING,LH/RH $73.44 (Brackets should be able to be swapped with existing brackets)

bigaudiofanat · 12-22-2009, 02:52 PM

The weapon. your also going to need the wiring harness and other things.

The amp for the stock is built into the head unit where as the bose has external amps. When you do that you have to get the bose speakers as for their ohms. The Z with the nav system has the bose system where as the base one does not. Unless it does include the bose even than he will need a new wiring harness.

Also the antenna for the nav is integrated into the roof very expensive.

The Weapon · 12-22-2009, 02:59 PM

I compared the part numbers on the wiring harness and the only variation on the wiring harness was the one listed. The rest are the same for Touring Models. If it was a Base, then yes.. you would need a ton more stuff. But I think the Touring comes with a Bose stereo which includes, amps, speakers, bluetooth for phone, ipod integration, and XM. If it doesn't those are only a couple extra harnesses that are about $35 each.

the Nav antennea is in the dash from the looks of the diagram

scruffydog · 12-22-2009, 04:51 PM

Thanks a lot The Weapon....this is the kind of good news I need to hear! $2500 isn't enough of a reason that'll stop me from wanting to put in a factory NAV. I think $4000 or + is a little too extreme....Maybe for a base model 370Z. But I would believe a NAV Touring and a No NAV touring isn't that much different in terms of missing hardware components.

The MSRP should justify this as well. The price difference of these 2 cars are at most $1800. Now, about the labor, I don't mind tearing through the front dash board all the way down to the center console of the car. I've done this already with my brand new Lexus IS and it seems much more intricate - and I was able to put everything back together as new.

About your pricing, that's a good list you put together....I am seriously considering in moving forward with the purchase for the 40th Anniversary Edition Z. And many have already broke my heart by letting me know it doesn't come with a NAV, but it does have pretty much most of the stuff I would assume a NAV version have in regards to harness and such. Nissan would not have the assembly line workers to leave out much when they're building a NAV touring vs. No NAV touring - it'd be too confusing and it won't save them much money either. That's why most car manufacture's like Lexus, Mitusibitshi, Toyota (some models - not all) already laid out the wiring harness for GPS even though the car wasn't intended for NAV.

About the list...you mentioned:
Display Unit - $795.79 (Is this just the 7" screen?)
GPS Ant - $39.83 (Isn't this already put in place as it already has XM ready?)
GPS Switches - $289.65 (Are these the ones in front of the 7" display?)
Navi Front Panel - $310.97 (Does this include the Bose sound system head unit? i.e. the 1 MP3 disc player)
AV Control Unit $352.56 (Is this the Air conditioning control?)
Swithes for Bose Navi Stereo - $576.69 (Or is this the actual audio system?)
Electrical Stereo Cover - $180.47

Total: $2571

I'm sorry if this is confusing...i think it's easier to explain through pictures...

As for the whole aftermarket solution, I agree that no factory system is better than aftermarket...that's why there's still a business for aftermarket stereo systems. But like I said, I don't want it mainly for many reasons I've described above and I'm not convinced that aftermarket solution is tipping over my balance. Besides, the Bose sound system that comes with the Touring model is good enough for my daily needs - personally, I think having a sub is already an over kill as I have lived without blasting my music to the point where I could only hear bass.

370Zsteve · 12-22-2009, 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Weapon

I compared the part numbers on the wiring harness and the only variation on the wiring harness was the one listed. The rest are the same for Touring Models. If it was a Base, then yes.. you would need a ton more stuff. But I think the Touring comes with a Bose stereo which includes, amps, speakers, bluetooth for phone, ipod integration, and XM. If it doesn't those are only a couple extra harnesses that are about $35 each.

the Nav antennea is in the dash from the looks of the diagram

Weapon, you are correct. I checked into this myself a couple of weeks ago.

370Zsteve · 12-22-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scruffydog

Besides, the Bose sound system that comes with the Touring model is good enough for my daily needs - personally, I think having a sub is already an over kill as I have lived without blasting my music to the point where I could only hear bass.

Join the club, my friend. For my needs, the Bose system sounds just fine, bass is more than adequate, in fact one of the strengths of Bose has always been it's sound at more "moderate" levels aka somewhere south of ear-bleed territory.

scruffydog · 12-22-2009, 05:10 PM

Thank you all BigAudioFanAt, The Weapon, 370Zsteve....I am very glad you guys are so helpful.

I will be putting together a list of components (P/N) soon when I purchase this car to see how much I'll have to buy.

Any idea as to the easiest way to do these research? I may need to step in the dealership's parts computer to go over some diagrams with the parts guy. Unless there's a Electrical Diagram and Parts Manual they sell to the Nissan Mechanics that shows every parts I could purchase on a DVD....(which I doubt)...is there a better way to do it?

I may start migrating this Thread to the DIY section once I get further information...THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HELP!!!

The Weapon · 12-22-2009, 05:38 PM

I got all the pricing from Nissan Parts, NISMO and Nissan Accessories - Courtesyparts.com You can look through the Factory OEM Parts and check out their diagrams and get an idea of everything you'll need and where it's located.

It just hit me... But if you plan on Getting 40th Anniversary model i think it comes as Touring with Sport and Navigation. It would be the cheaper route to go.

bigaudiofanat · 12-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scruffydog

Thanks a lot The Weapon....this is the kind of good news I need to hear! $2500 isn't enough of a reason that'll stop me from wanting to put in a factory NAV. I think $4000 or + is a little too extreme....Maybe for a base model 370Z. But I would believe a NAV Touring and a No NAV touring isn't that much different in terms of missing hardware components.

The MSRP should justify this as well. The price difference of these 2 cars are at most $1800. Now, about the labor, I don't mind tearing through the front dash board all the way down to the center console of the car. I've done this already with my brand new Lexus IS and it seems much more intricate - and I was able to put everything back together as new.

About your pricing, that's a good list you put together....I am seriously considering in moving forward with the purchase for the 40th Anniversary Edition Z. And many have already broke my heart by letting me know it doesn't come with a NAV, but it does have pretty much most of the stuff I would assume a NAV version have in regards to harness and such. Nissan would not have the assembly line workers to leave out much when they're building a NAV touring vs. No NAV touring - it'd be too confusing and it won't save them much money either. That's why most car manufacture's like Lexus, Mitusibitshi, Toyota (some models - not all) already laid out the wiring harness for GPS even though the car wasn't intended for NAV.

About the list...you mentioned:
Display Unit - $795.79 (Is this just the 7" screen?)
GPS Ant - $39.83 (Isn't this already put in place as it already has XM ready?)
GPS Switches - $289.65 (Are these the ones in front of the 7" display?)
Navi Front Panel - $310.97 (Does this include the Bose sound system head unit? i.e. the 1 MP3 disc player)
AV Control Unit $352.56 (Is this the Air conditioning control?)
Swithes for Bose Navi Stereo - $576.69 (Or is this the actual audio system?)
Electrical Stereo Cover - $180.47

Total: $2571

I'm sorry if this is confusing...i think it's easier to explain through pictures...

As for the whole aftermarket solution, I agree that no factory system is better than aftermarket...that's why there's still a business for aftermarket stereo systems. But like I said, I don't want it mainly for many reasons I've described above and I'm not convinced that aftermarket solution is tipping over my balance. Besides, the Bose sound system that comes with the Touring model is good enough for my daily needs - personally, I think having a sub is already an over kill as I have lived without blasting my music to the point where I could only hear bass.

No that is not the same as the XM antenna that is totally different.

Yes the display unit is the screen

I am not sure about the bose head unit

No the AV control is audio video the A/C is totally different.

Yes that is the actual stereo and you have to sue the bose system with the nav which is a very poor system. That bose sub will not even hurt your ears at full tilt it is that bad. A lot of people actually regret getting the nav system with the bose because of the hassle of upgrading the audio system and having to take out the nav in order to upgrade it. Yes it would be cool to do all this but the thing that is going to harm you that you have not budgeted is how much that antenna is and if you can even get one installed when the ones with nav come from the factory with it built into the roof. I honestly think it is still not worth it even if the price tag is only 4 grand or below. But that is just my .02

scruffydog · 12-22-2009, 07:16 PM

The antenna is something I have to check on, but thanks for the tip...I will check on it. I'm not convince I'd have to buy a new roof to get that installed even if that's the case.....I'm sure i can un-attach it and re-install the pod. And even if that's the case, worst case I can always work around by putting it else where or replace it with a Shark Fin...lol. J/K And if price for that GPS receiving antenna is way over priced by Nissan (which I doubt can be)...I'll look for an aftermarket Antenna that works with it. I'm a Mechanical Engineer and have a work shop, i'm sure I can fabricate something out of it to make it work.

But if the total costs me $4000k then obviously I will call this whole project off and use that $4K on upgrading a fully loaded Touring with Nav and make up for the difference the fully loaded touring model lacks from a 40th anniversary edition. I think it's safe to say even though it's fun doing a project as such, I can get a 370z that comes with the factory NAV and do something else with that $4000 like putting a body kit or whatever.

I mean the main things I want from the 40th anniversary edition is the red stitching, red leather seats (which I love!!), colored brakes, and smoked RIMS, and that special body color (which I can live without). Which can easily be more than $4000 as well. But if retro fitting the NAV system back to a touring NO Nav will cost me $4000k I'd simply give up all the stuff that came with the 40th anniversary edition and be much happier I didn't go with an aftermarket.

I am not putting aftermarket NAV down, but in my shoes, just seems to be a much more suitable option for me to simply get a 370z with factory NAV just don't have the color stuff listed with the 40th anniversary edition.

And not to start a war between anyone, I think the Bose sound system will work just fine for me for what I pay for...i personally listened to it on the 370z and the Inifiniti G37s and it sounds great! I don't listen music with much extra bass so it doesn't matter how "weak" the sub is or whatever else it lacks.

Also, I've already confirmed with many dealerships that the 40th Anniversary Edition only come with Touring + Sports and doesn't come with NAV as an option. They're gonna build them all the same w/o NAV for the ease of cookie cutter sake. They're not letting customer to "customize" it, they're just gonna go with what they think majority of people are "willing" to pay (...meaning no NAV since most people don't have that extra $2K nor willing to spend it on a factory NAV) and then they're just gonna distribute it to multiple dealership as-is. They don't have any incentive to please people like me that want everything.....esp when they believe that with the set price of $38K for the 40th anniversary edition is gonna sell like hot cakes. If i pass up on it, another that's willing to settle without factory NAV will buy it! As a matter of fact, they're like "even better for me since I don't want factory NAV to begin with"
Darn those people for ruining it for me! =(

12-22-2009, 11:27 AM	#1 (permalink)
scruffydog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,113 Drives: with his eyes close Rep Power: 717	Factory NAV Retrofit Install for Touring Models Hey guys, I assume nobody on this forum has done this yet, and it may have been asked before, but does anyone know if the Touring + Sports package (no NAV) model has the wiring ready for the factory NAV? I remember reading some posts before that states a base model or no touring model isn't equipped with wiring for retro fitting a factory NAV. Does anyone know if the Steering wheel controls for a Touring model (No NAV) is the same as the Touring model with a NAV? It should have pretty much most of the wiring and components installed right? Questions: 1) Is the steering wheel mounted controls the same? 2) Is the audio feed cable located inside the arm rest compartment on the NAV different than the No NAV? (I would think so because the NAV version has a USB and video input) 3) Is the Satellite receive already installed for the touring model as it comes with XM ready? Does the antenna cable go all the way up to behind the radio unit? 4) Are there any other wiring a Touring (no NAV) model does not have & a Touring (NAV) model have and is really a pain-in-the-*** to order or install after the car is already fully assembled; which ultimately makes this whole project not worth while? The reason I am asking this is because I am thinkinng of getting a 40th Anniversary Edition 370z early next year, and it may not have the NAV option. It's essential a Touring + Sports package. So if that's the case, I'd be interested in being one of the first to do a retro it factory NAV installation; I also wouldn't mind doing a detailed write up on it too. If any of you are interested in helping me out finding the answers to the above questions, I'd be more than happy to share any knowledge, DIY info once I get my 370Z. Thanks! Last edited by scruffydog; 12-22-2009 at 11:31 AM.

12-22-2009, 01:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	No the nav wiring has been put in the car with the nav and they will not include that stuff for a future install. Nor would it be worth it to install it now. If you even did have enough money to do such an upgrade it would not be worth it as you would also have to install the crappy bose system for the nav to work as well as find somehow to have a antenna for the nav. It would be 100 times batter and more worth it to just get an aftermarket one. The aftermarket head units can be controlled threw the steering wheel controls. Their are to many things that you would have to do to even think of upgrading to the stock nav system. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

12-22-2009, 01:26 PM	#3 (permalink)
fly yellow Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 455 Drives: 09 yellow 370z Rep Power: 265	I doubt it can be done, at least on any kind of affordable level. I had an 08 Cadillac CTS that i bought without Nav. I later decided I wanted to put it in, and I didn't think it would be a big deal due to the fact that my car did have the cut out for the pop up screen. Every dealer said that the cost to do it would be more than just taking the hit to trade it in on a new one with Nav. __________________ A severed foot is the ultimate stocking stuffer. Mitch Hedberg

12-22-2009, 02:41 PM	#5 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	Bose amps Bose sub Bose Speakers New wiring harnesses for bose to integrate for the nav New power harness for nav system New dash kit New nav system New antenna so basically a new roof because the antenna is integrated into the roof. New wiring and controls for the climate control. You are easily talking over 4 grand. Not in any way worth it. Also the stock system is no where close to being as good as the aftermarket systems in the kenwoods. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/ Last edited by bigaudiofanat; 12-22-2009 at 02:54 PM.

12-22-2009, 02:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
The Weapon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 286 Drives: 370Z Tour/Sport Blk Rep Power: 3371	[25915P] CONT ASSY-IT MASTER - $3687.98 (Main HDD Unit/Disc Player) [28091] FES VIDEO MONITOR - $795.79 (Screen) [25975M] ANTENNA ASSY-GPS - $39.83 (GPS Antennea mounted in front dash) [25391] SW ASSY-PRESET - $576.69 (Front Control Panel) [68520] LID-CLUSTER - $310.97 (Cover with AC Vents could be a problem if you have red stitching on 40th Ann. model) [68520+A] LID-CLUSTER - $180.47 (Plastic Cover) [68175M] BRACKET-AUDIO - $70.84 (Screen Mount) [28395Q] SW ASSY-ITS & AUDIO $289.65 (Buttons under Nav Screen) [28242MA] FEEDER-ANTENNA - $68.14 (Wiring Harness) [28405M] COVER-ELECTRICAL - $25.80 (COvers Flash Slot) Total: $6,046.16 [284H1] CONT NIT-AUX AUDIO SYSTEM $352.56 (Should be in Touring) [68154] BRACKET-RADIO MOUNTING,LH/RH $73.44 (Brackets should be able to be swapped with existing brackets) __________________ Boosted Performance Comp Turbo - Tuner- CJM Fuel Return- Modified Berk CBE- ZSpeed Stage 4 Clutch - Southbend Flywheel - Tuned by Seb ~650whp - HKS Coilovers - SPL - Focal Audio 4 way Active - Audiocontrol DSP - Work CR 2P Last edited by The Weapon; 12-22-2009 at 07:49 PM.

12-22-2009, 02:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
scruffydog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,113 Drives: with his eyes close Rep Power: 717	I guess what I'm trying to propose is to find out exactly what needed to be added or replace to make this work. And no doubt it's just the matter of how much money and effort I'm willing to throw into this project. Don't get me wrong, I value you guys' input and will take them into my consideration. But at the same time, nothing is impossible to do. It all just comes down to how much of the car I have to take apart in order to install what I need. Now, the main reason I am posting this up is because I am thinking of getting the 40th Anniversary edition 370z because it has all the extra so-called features I love which I would consider even more expensive to add/replace/replicate to a car that's not a 40th anniversary (i.e. Fully loaded Touring + Sports Package 370Z with NAV). Things such as Red stitching is one hell of a job to do to a car that came with white stitches. Red painted calipers is also debatable for someone to get a better aftermarket. Then there's the special "Quartz" paint for the whole car, and smoked black rims which someone can tell me I could bring it in to someone who can do powder coating - the list goes on and on.... Since I'm not too big wanting an aftermarket Nav system, mainly for 3 reasons: 1) the Nissan NAV is SUPER SUPER awesome....by far the best factory NAV i know of, even better than my Lexus IS beause it has touch screen and buttons in place (so no finger prints) & also has a lot of built-in integrated features such as climate display, etc - things that an aftermarket NAV will not be able to have 2) It ultilizes the compartment glove space for the display, rather than the double din locations beneath it (where the stock stereo sits) so you get better vision 3) It looks much better because it was DESIGNED to be fitted with the car to begin with. NO aftermarket NAV will ever look as clean as it is designed to be able to fit with any car. With it's restrictions in size, the standard double din space....they are not able to put a 7" display + other buttons such as a jog dial like the 370Z factory NAV can for the ease of use. Not to mention, now I have to worry about people breaking my window, jamming screw drivers down my door lock, just to steal my nice aftermarket NAV system....I'm not ready to go down that path again especially if this is going to be my daily driver and not a show car. At least with a factory NAV, less people would go through the trouble to steal a factory NAV as it'll have less use for them unless they have the same car. ...call me crazy, but I much rather look for a solution and spend upto $2000-$2500 to replace my stock Bose head unit to replace with the factory Bose NAV system than to spend $800-$1200 on a super fancy after market stereo system. Besides, I don't really care to have a better system than the stock Bose sound system that's already in place. Of course I do realize that there's a balance in realizing what's worth doing and what's not, and I'm not gonna be an idiot and throw $10K (if that's what it takes) into stripping the car or buying components to make the NAV to work. But right now I do have a feeling I could make this to work if I can get these questions answered. Plus, if others that are on the same boat as me on this forum are interested, I'd like to post a detailed DIY on this. For crying out load, I've been on Mitsubishi Evo X forums, Lexus IS and all of them have a detailed DIY as to how to put a factory NAV in a non-factory NAV car....we can do it! The Mitsubishi EVo X even requiring taking the whole steering wheel out and cut holes into putting a mic and adding some additional wiring harness....but it's super detailed and they listed out exactly which parts (P/N) are need....and that's something I'm willing to provide if I do perform this job.

12-22-2009, 02:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 853	The weapon. your also going to need the wiring harness and other things. The amp for the stock is built into the head unit where as the bose has external amps. When you do that you have to get the bose speakers as for their ohms. The Z with the nav system has the bose system where as the base one does not. Unless it does include the bose even than he will need a new wiring harness. Also the antenna for the nav is integrated into the roof very expensive. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/ Last edited by bigaudiofanat; 12-22-2009 at 02:56 PM.

12-22-2009, 02:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
The Weapon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 286 Drives: 370Z Tour/Sport Blk Rep Power: 3371	I compared the part numbers on the wiring harness and the only variation on the wiring harness was the one listed. The rest are the same for Touring Models. If it was a Base, then yes.. you would need a ton more stuff. But I think the Touring comes with a Bose stereo which includes, amps, speakers, bluetooth for phone, ipod integration, and XM. If it doesn't those are only a couple extra harnesses that are about $35 each. the Nav antennea is in the dash from the looks of the diagram __________________ Boosted Performance Comp Turbo - Tuner- CJM Fuel Return- Modified Berk CBE- ZSpeed Stage 4 Clutch - Southbend Flywheel - Tuned by Seb ~650whp - HKS Coilovers - SPL - Focal Audio 4 way Active - Audiocontrol DSP - Work CR 2P Last edited by The Weapon; 12-22-2009 at 03:18 PM.

12-22-2009, 04:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
scruffydog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,113 Drives: with his eyes close Rep Power: 717	Thanks a lot The Weapon....this is the kind of good news I need to hear! $2500 isn't enough of a reason that'll stop me from wanting to put in a factory NAV. I think $4000 or + is a little too extreme....Maybe for a base model 370Z. But I would believe a NAV Touring and a No NAV touring isn't that much different in terms of missing hardware components. The MSRP should justify this as well. The price difference of these 2 cars are at most $1800. Now, about the labor, I don't mind tearing through the front dash board all the way down to the center console of the car. I've done this already with my brand new Lexus IS and it seems much more intricate - and I was able to put everything back together as new. About your pricing, that's a good list you put together....I am seriously considering in moving forward with the purchase for the 40th Anniversary Edition Z. And many have already broke my heart by letting me know it doesn't come with a NAV, but it does have pretty much most of the stuff I would assume a NAV version have in regards to harness and such. Nissan would not have the assembly line workers to leave out much when they're building a NAV touring vs. No NAV touring - it'd be too confusing and it won't save them much money either. That's why most car manufacture's like Lexus, Mitusibitshi, Toyota (some models - not all) already laid out the wiring harness for GPS even though the car wasn't intended for NAV. About the list...you mentioned: Display Unit - $795.79 (Is this just the 7" screen?) GPS Ant - $39.83 (Isn't this already put in place as it already has XM ready?) GPS Switches - $289.65 (Are these the ones in front of the 7" display?) Navi Front Panel - $310.97 (Does this include the Bose sound system head unit? i.e. the 1 MP3 disc player) AV Control Unit $352.56 (Is this the Air conditioning control?) Swithes for Bose Navi Stereo - $576.69 (Or is this the actual audio system?) Electrical Stereo Cover - $180.47 Total: $2571 I'm sorry if this is confusing...i think it's easier to explain through pictures... As for the whole aftermarket solution, I agree that no factory system is better than aftermarket...that's why there's still a business for aftermarket stereo systems. But like I said, I don't want it mainly for many reasons I've described above and I'm not convinced that aftermarket solution is tipping over my balance. Besides, the Bose sound system that comes with the Touring model is good enough for my daily needs - personally, I think having a sub is already an over kill as I have lived without blasting my music to the point where I could only hear bass. Last edited by scruffydog; 12-22-2009 at 04:55 PM.

12-22-2009, 05:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
scruffydog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,113 Drives: with his eyes close Rep Power: 717	Thank you all BigAudioFanAt, The Weapon, 370Zsteve....I am very glad you guys are so helpful. I will be putting together a list of components (P/N) soon when I purchase this car to see how much I'll have to buy. Any idea as to the easiest way to do these research? I may need to step in the dealership's parts computer to go over some diagrams with the parts guy. Unless there's a Electrical Diagram and Parts Manual they sell to the Nissan Mechanics that shows every parts I could purchase on a DVD....(which I doubt)...is there a better way to do it? I may start migrating this Thread to the DIY section once I get further information...THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE HELP!!!

12-22-2009, 05:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
The Weapon Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 286 Drives: 370Z Tour/Sport Blk Rep Power: 3371	I got all the pricing from Nissan Parts, NISMO and Nissan Accessories - Courtesyparts.com You can look through the Factory OEM Parts and check out their diagrams and get an idea of everything you'll need and where it's located. It just hit me... But if you plan on Getting 40th Anniversary model i think it comes as Touring with Sport and Navigation. It would be the cheaper route to go. __________________ Boosted Performance Comp Turbo - Tuner- CJM Fuel Return- Modified Berk CBE- ZSpeed Stage 4 Clutch - Southbend Flywheel - Tuned by Seb ~650whp - HKS Coilovers - SPL - Focal Audio 4 way Active - Audiocontrol DSP - Work CR 2P Last edited by The Weapon; 12-22-2009 at 05:48 PM.

12-22-2009, 07:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
scruffydog A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,113 Drives: with his eyes close Rep Power: 717	The antenna is something I have to check on, but thanks for the tip...I will check on it. I'm not convince I'd have to buy a new roof to get that installed even if that's the case.....I'm sure i can un-attach it and re-install the pod. And even if that's the case, worst case I can always work around by putting it else where or replace it with a Shark Fin...lol. J/K And if price for that GPS receiving antenna is way over priced by Nissan (which I doubt can be)...I'll look for an aftermarket Antenna that works with it. I'm a Mechanical Engineer and have a work shop, i'm sure I can fabricate something out of it to make it work. But if the total costs me $4000k then obviously I will call this whole project off and use that $4K on upgrading a fully loaded Touring with Nav and make up for the difference the fully loaded touring model lacks from a 40th anniversary edition. I think it's safe to say even though it's fun doing a project as such, I can get a 370z that comes with the factory NAV and do something else with that $4000 like putting a body kit or whatever. I mean the main things I want from the 40th anniversary edition is the red stitching, red leather seats (which I love!!), colored brakes, and smoked RIMS, and that special body color (which I can live without). Which can easily be more than $4000 as well. But if retro fitting the NAV system back to a touring NO Nav will cost me $4000k I'd simply give up all the stuff that came with the 40th anniversary edition and be much happier I didn't go with an aftermarket. I am not putting aftermarket NAV down, but in my shoes, just seems to be a much more suitable option for me to simply get a 370z with factory NAV just don't have the color stuff listed with the 40th anniversary edition. And not to start a war between anyone, I think the Bose sound system will work just fine for me for what I pay for...i personally listened to it on the 370z and the Inifiniti G37s and it sounds great! I don't listen music with much extra bass so it doesn't matter how "weak" the sub is or whatever else it lacks. Also, I've already confirmed with many dealerships that the 40th Anniversary Edition only come with Touring + Sports and doesn't come with NAV as an option. They're gonna build them all the same w/o NAV for the ease of cookie cutter sake. They're not letting customer to "customize" it, they're just gonna go with what they think majority of people are "willing" to pay (...meaning no NAV since most people don't have that extra $2K nor willing to spend it on a factory NAV) and then they're just gonna distribute it to multiple dealership as-is. They don't have any incentive to please people like me that want everything.....esp when they believe that with the set price of $38K for the 40th anniversary edition is gonna sell like hot cakes. If i pass up on it, another that's willing to settle without factory NAV will buy it! As a matter of fact, they're like "even better for me since I don't want factory NAV to begin with" Darn those people for ruining it for me! =( Last edited by scruffydog; 12-22-2009 at 07:27 PM.

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