No release date for GT5... Sony can go to hell. I've been anticipating that game for years, and it keeps looking better and better, but the window keeps getting further and further away. If I was Sony, I'd be down right pissed at Polyphony for allowing Forza 3 to be released before GT5.
Forza 3 looks really promising. Much better looking than F2, although after seeing the GT5 trailer I have to give them the trophy for the visuals. Can't really comment on the playing... the trailer was all over the place with gameplay and really weird stunt videos. The gameplay looked good enough, but the stunt vids looked comical, and kind of took away from the game's rep IMO. The social network aspect of the game looks really cool though, and I can't wait to see what kind fo tools they have for painting the cars.
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