Thanks for the advice guys, I been in the Army 14 years now, I just needed a reminder haven't had my dogs stink this bad since Iraq that was in 06, yeah I can't sleep much, these docs say it's because I got severe PTSD but I think it's a combo of pain from the inside of my hip being torn from my leg and my back....as well as anxiety and I always feel like I am being watched, anywho good advice I def like the vinegar water trick, I only use one pair of boots way more comfortable then a brand new pair, but I am going to air them out over the weekend, I scrubbed my feet this morning again and bad order is gone now