Originally Posted by Kirkster

Just print the car max add for the car out and show it to the dealer. Now the dealer will whine that the car max car is a stripped down version which is total BS. Tell them to meet the price and if they balk at doing so just thank them for their time and start walking. You may or may not make it out the door but it is worth doing. DO NOT PAY MORE THAN CARMAX PRICING, less is better but you may have to go see the Panda for that...

And as far as Shadoquad goes be careful and don't turn your back on him.

And welcome to the Mid-A mayhem section of the forum...