Has anyone ever sat down with the salesman and they just seem to make up numbers for your trade in... like its a guessing game? To see if your take it... and then refuse to negoitate. Didnt look up the value for the car or anything. Just said.... we're give you 10k for your trade when KBB states 12,600 for trade in. I show him that, and he says "its not gonna happen" "Im just giving you real world prices".
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