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Old 04-20-2023, 07:48 AM   #10525 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion View Post
Ok, now onto the transgender gender identity example of post truth world bs.

Scientifically, there are only two biological sexes, and society expresses biological male and female as men and women. Gender is the social expression of biological sex. Men have penises and women have vaginas. More specifically, males produce sperm and females produce eggs which are fertilized by said sperm. (Hard to believe I’m rehashing basic sex Ed but here we are)

All animals on this planet that are even somewhat advanced are like this. There are worms that can change from male to female and vice versa and basic organisms reproduce differently like bacteria and virus but since humans can’t go from producing sperm to producing eggs, we don’t fall in this category.

If someone is gay, there is a wiring issue going on in their brain, this happens to other species in nature as well but it’s not “normal” bc if it was, we wouldn’t be here.

If someone is transgender, that is a psychiatric disorder known as gender dysphoria. It might be caused by incorrect hormone bath of the fetus in the womb, maybe, brain wiring, maybe sexual or psychological abuse or maybe some combo of the above.

As a quick aside, I personally believe that the increased toxins in our environment over the last 100 years, many of which are estrogen receptor positive and mimic estrogen in the body is related to the rise in trans and perhaps gay people. Our males testosterone levels are 50% of what our grandfather and great grandfathers were on average. Women hit puberty on average 2years sooner than they did 50 years ago and boys are less masculine than in the past. Our plastics and **** chemicals in our food and water are contributing to lower fertility and possibly increased transgender population. Again, just my opinion but I believe m right on this.

So VtV, keep on eating those McYoked post workout meals filled with chemicals out the wazoo, I’ll be sure to pick up a sexy mini skirt for ya when you’re ready.

Ok, back to serious discussion…

Current gender theory says gender is fluid and transgender is normal. Scientifically and biologically, it’s not, male is male and female is female based on the biological criteria I listed above.

NOW, and I want to be crystal clear on this point:

NO ONE should be discriminated against bc of sexual orientation or gender identity and the right to life liberty and the persuit of happiness should apply equally fairly and justly to ALL Americans and human rights to all people around the world.

BUT, we can’t ignore scientific facts either, as a moderate libertarian, I believe strongly there is a happy medium here and it’s as follows:

1. Pronouns. Let’s use common sense but also respect. If you are transgender, prior to transitioning, your pronouns should match your biological sex. Once you’ve transitioned to the point your presenting as the opposite gender, then out of respect, we should address that person by the pronouns of their gender identity. Ie, a trans woman who presents as a woman is she/her.

1a. They/them are plural pronouns and are bullsh1t to refer to an individual as. Gender fluid folks are also psychologically disturbed and can’t commit to a side. Which is fine, but then the appropriate pronouns are the ones that match your biological sex.

2. Bathrooms. Again, common sense and respect. A trans woman pre transition uses the mens bathroom, a trans woman after a certain point in transitioning or post transition uses the womens bathroom. Womens bathroom are all private/semi private stallls, there’s no issue here. Don’t confuse transgender and sexual predator. They are NOT related.

3. Locker rooms. Trans people should have a separate private locker room bc it could be uncomfortable and unfair to women to see a biological male naked in their shower or changing areas.

4. Sports. Again common sense. Men vs men and women vs women. Trans people can compete in gender open leagues where men and women are already on the same team or they can create and compete in trans specific leagues.

Remember, transgender is a medical mental condition. It would be like a guy in a wheelchair demanding he play basketball on the regular basketball team, it makes no sense and we shouldn’t change the world for that one guy. However, creating a wheelchair basketball league is a great positive answer.

We wouldn’t eliminate stairs into a building so as not to offend cripples and force everyone to use ramps, BUT adding wheelchair ramps to a building is the right way to respect and provide opportunities for disabled folks while not negatively impacting everyone else.

For too long conservatives marginalized and defamed and discriminated against gay and especially trans peoples. There has been an over correcting in some aspects of society for sure, but demonizing people and associating them with pedophiles and sex predators is just wrong. Again, we need to address this just like climate change from a common sense scientific facts based approach without emotional malice towards others even if they make you uncomfortable.
You bring very valid points to the table, crazy but in today's society, many would interpret these facts as hate speech of sort.
Biology doesn't care about your emotions or prejudice or anything else. There's X and Y chromosomes. There are diseases. There is evolution, i.e. survival of the fittest. Not strongest, not best, not smartest, but *fittest*. That is to say - if a meteor hits the planet, you want to be a shrew that can hide and survive of crumbs, you don't want to be a huge dinosaur.
So if you (unfortunately) feel like a woman, but you have Y chromosome, as well as a penis, testicles, a prostate which can get cancer, etc. - then yeah, you're not a woman. We can try to fix you up, but you'll never menstruate, you'll never have a baby inside you and you will probably not get ostheoporosis but prostate cancer.

If you're gay, I respect you, even feel sorry that it's unlikely that you'll pass your genes to the next generation as unfortunately you need opposite sexes to reproduce, at least if you're of homo sapiens species.

I'd add this part. If we have laws to prohibit kids from drinking, driving, bearing arms, getting tattoos, and similar life altering stuff, etc until they're 18 (excluding usa here), all because we deem them immature and not old enough....then MAYBE it also doesn't make sense to allow them to use hormone therapy or similar as teenagers, just because it's currently popular to be one of 143 genders. Maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't let these kids make these crazy decisions, but let them grow up and inform them of implications and consequences.

And yeah. Please stop with the transphobic ********. Nobody is afraid of trans people nor does anyone have a phobia of them. I like my women without a penis, and if someone's trans, I'll gladly point them to a reliable therapist to help them sort out the chemistry in their brain, instead of taking a knife to the crotch thinking they'll magically cheat nature.
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